| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3 4] > | An example of the kind of ridiculous job offers I am getting. Thread poster: Ragnar Egilsson
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| What's with the ultrawide range of prices? | Feb 13, 2022 |
Fat sub-3% bonus for Juris Doctors, should any apply?
writeaway wrote:
Job offer recently posted on Proz for a De-En job in the legal field. With the stipulation you'll only get paid once the client 'accepts' the translation. So that leaves the door wide open....
Today's translation world. Just keeps getting better.
| | | | | My Best Paying Clients Are Often Writers Who Are Translators, Too | Feb 13, 2022 |
Every author I have worked for, who has also worked as a professional translator, has paid me the best rates for my literary translations; and very promptly at that. No "60 days from date of invoice" kind of stuff. They have no need to be educated: they know exactly everything that is involved in the process of producing a translation that is more than just basic or straightforward. And, of course, they always like to get paid promptly for their own work. Who wouldn't?
[Edited at 2022-02... See more Every author I have worked for, who has also worked as a professional translator, has paid me the best rates for my literary translations; and very promptly at that. No "60 days from date of invoice" kind of stuff. They have no need to be educated: they know exactly everything that is involved in the process of producing a translation that is more than just basic or straightforward. And, of course, they always like to get paid promptly for their own work. Who wouldn't?
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| | | | Olga Koepping
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:49
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| Yes I saw that one - | Feb 14, 2022 |
writeaway wrote:
Job offer recently posted on Proz for a De-En job in the legal field. With the stipulation you'll only get paid once the client 'accepts' the translation. So that leaves the door wide open....
Today's translation world. Just keeps getting better.
Despite having left proz.com, and only taking occasional legacy client work, it really got to me. Or maybe it got to me because that kind of thing changed my mind about my profession, and yes, that might be an emotional reaction, but so be it. I value my education and my knowledge and I get upset when I find potential clients treating it as equivalent to polishing nails - and even then manicurists are paid better.
| | | | | Ignorant Attitudes RE: The Translation Industry | Feb 14, 2022 |
On another site that is supposed to be for translators, but seems to exist more for certain other kinds of "groups", someone posted in one of the forums that he considered the translation industry to be a service industry, in the same way that the janitorial industry is. While I certainly don't look down on anybody who works in an honest profession, even if it does not require much education or training, if I applied online for a job as a janitor, my application would be deleted immediately, as ... See more On another site that is supposed to be for translators, but seems to exist more for certain other kinds of "groups", someone posted in one of the forums that he considered the translation industry to be a service industry, in the same way that the janitorial industry is. While I certainly don't look down on anybody who works in an honest profession, even if it does not require much education or training, if I applied online for a job as a janitor, my application would be deleted immediately, as soon as they see that I have three language-related degrees, including a Master's in Literary Translation. But luckily, I don't have to work anymore if I don't want to, esp. for people who think like that poster on another site. So I'll stick with only translating projects I find interesting and which I believe to be worthwhile, and which reflect my skills and previous background as a writer/translator, as long as my fee is agreed to.
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Pedro Álvares
Switzerland
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| I'll keep this one short, but on topic | Feb 14, 2022 |
Today I was offered $0.007 per word for an EN to PT translation. Their argument was that the volume of work would be large.
In my reply I politely suggested there was a typo on his email. Surely, he meant $0.07?
I don't believe he got the message, as he didn't come back to me.
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| | | | Peter Motte
Belgium
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Funny how this rather important thread turned into a woke discussion.
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Ragnar Egilsson
Iceland
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TOPIC STARTER | woke discussion | Feb 15, 2022 |
I completely agree with those who felt that the comments about Indian translation companies had a racist undertone.
There is a large number of Indian companies offering ridiculous rates but the issue here is not the fact that the average salary in India can't match the average salary in Holland, but rather that those companies have been able to find space in the market because major Fortune 500 companies are too cheap to recruit translation companies offering competitive rates.
... See more I completely agree with those who felt that the comments about Indian translation companies had a racist undertone.
There is a large number of Indian companies offering ridiculous rates but the issue here is not the fact that the average salary in India can't match the average salary in Holland, but rather that those companies have been able to find space in the market because major Fortune 500 companies are too cheap to recruit translation companies offering competitive rates.
Bringing me back to my original point: Translation services are massively undervalued and we should call people out on that to maintain a certain standard. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 06:49
Member (2008)
Italian to English
| Everybody out | Feb 15, 2022 |
Ragnar Egilsson wrote:
.....Translation services are massively undervalued .....
I know this is completely impossible, but how would it be if all the translators in the world suddenly stopped work?
With only MT available, would the world be able to continue?
| | | | | We’re really not that important | Feb 15, 2022 |
Ragnar Egilsson wrote:
.....Translation services are massively undervalued .....
No, they can’t be. Market forces etc.
Translators as a body clearly overvalue themselves. As does pretty much every profession.
Tom in London wrote:
I know this is completely impossible, but how would it be if all the translators in the world suddenly stopped work?
With only MT available, would the world be able to continue?
Yes.
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Tom in London wrote: Ragnar Egilsson wrote:
.....Translation services are massively undervalued ..... I know this is completely impossible, but how would it be if all the translators in the world suddenly stopped work? With only MT available, would the world be able to continue?
I think nobody would really notice to be honest. We're not performing an essential service like delivering food, providing healthcare, refuse collection or the like.
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Ragnar Egilsson
Iceland
Local time: 05:49
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English to Icelandic
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You do you.
I'll keep earning.
| | | | | Take control | Feb 15, 2022 |
Ragnar Egilsson wrote:
You do you.
I'll keep earning.
That's missing the point.
Agencies looking for low rates are not looking for quality. If you can offer quality, you need to find clients who need it and will pay for it.
Translation per se is far from a skilled job and so it is not rewarded like one. Google Translate does it for free.
Translators are paid solely for the value they add beyond a mere word-for-word translation. In other words, writing skills. The better they write, the more value they add, the more they are paid.
It's how the market economy works.
| | | | Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 07:49
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| There’s more to it. | Feb 15, 2022 |
Gerard Barry wrote: Tom in London wrote: Ragnar Egilsson wrote:
.....Translation services are massively undervalued ..... I know this is completely impossible, but how would it be if all the translators in the world suddenly stopped work? With only MT available, would the world be able to continue? I think nobody would really notice to be honest. We're not performing an essential service like delivering food, providing healthcare, refuse collection or the like.
No commerce outside the borders then. Food, drugs, etc. (sheets, labels, declarations) all need to be translated as part of the import protocol (it’s required by the law). Let’s then stay within our own borders with just the local products and see how the world “does not change”. No announcements in English for you at airports as you travel to distant countries either (that’s translation as well). You are in China? Forget about the menu in English to help you as you eat in restaurants.
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