Conor McAuley Jul 28, 2022:

I think a new approach is required.

AllegroTrans Jul 28, 2022:

@ Conor It's not only AI that lacks awareness.

Carol Gullidge Jul 27, 2022:

Jennifer Hmmmh, say no more!
I'd also posted a Disagree to another Answer, and this was also removed, thereby further skewing the results. Very odd indeed!

Jennifer White Jul 27, 2022:

Carol We objected to rude remarks aimed at Tony. For that reason our comments were removed.. what does that tell us about the standard of manners on this site?

Conor McAuley Jul 27, 2022:

Philippe Yes – speech recognition software with no awareness of "comma-ing"!

You can see that in other questions that Verity has posted.

Carol Gullidge Jul 27, 2022:

I posted an Agree to Tony’s answer, Along with another ProZer, and both of these have been removed. Please note that these were both perfectly valid Agrees, and should be counted!

AllegroTrans Jul 27, 2022:

Asker's latest suggestion "'Burton left behind his gothic universe for just one project, to bring to life the adaptation of a biopic" - seems to "cut the mustard"

Barbara Cochran, MFA Jul 27, 2022:

Now You're Making Me Laugh, Carol! "I imagine that you'd rather die than use other people's ideas and expressions." Die? No not at all (isn't that a bit melodramatic, since what I do is literary translation, and it isn't a matter of life and death?) I am no black and white thinker when it comes to just about anything, especially literary translation. I quite enjoy reading other people's interpretations of the questions I post. They often add information or life experiences of their own that enriches my perceptions of the ideas expressed in them. After all, I am always intent on coming up with the best translation for my clients. And sometimes, because I usually work 6 hours a day, 6 days a week on their projects, my brain is just overtired. I have seen a lot of questions on this site that reflect that same scenario. If I'm not busy and think I might be able to help, I'll answer those questions. As I'm not anticipating my next project until the beginning of next year, I decided several months ago that I should "pay it forward" by offering my help to as many askers as I can. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, a mere explanation, with no actual translation offered when one is possible, doesn't cut the mustard.

Philippe Etienne Jul 27, 2022:

Commas The French, or AI/speech recognition software, no longer know how to properly use commas: "Burton quitte le temps d'un projet son univers gothique pour..." OR "Burton quitte, le temps d'un projet, son univers gothique pour...". Commas are underrated, but can completely change the meaning of a sentence. Current commas could lead to think that the "projet" is "son univers gothique" (...projet, c.-à-d. son univers gothique, pour...), but the sentence in its entirety prohibits this understanding.

Carol Gullidge Jul 27, 2022:

No doubt you have, Barbara! and in fact I hadn't spotted that this is not in fact a "Literary" question, in which case it is no doubt perfectly OK to use other people's ready-made suggestions, and indeed, why not!
However, when asking for suggestions for a literary text (with your Literary Translator's hat on), I imagine that you'd rather die than use other people's ideas and expressions. Speaking for myself, on the rare occasions that I've asked for help with a literary text, it has always simpy been to point me in the right direction regarding possible interpretations of an expression, rather than a ready-made actual translation. That is how I understand "most helpful Answer". I'm sure there's a reason why they don't ask for the most "accurate" Answer!

Barbara Cochran, MFA Jul 27, 2022:

Carol I have found, after participating since 2006 on these kudoz pages, that askers, by far, prefer to select an actual translation, much more than an explanation. Many explanations, as opposed to an actual translation, which are offered as a response, are often bogged down by what is sometimes a lot of rambling verbiage, as one attempts to develop her/his ideas around a translation question. It's much better, for the purposes of the kudoz glossary, to select an actual translation. Of course, the one that is the most accurate among all the options so kindly offered. And if NONE of them are all that accurate, the asker always has the option of not grading or selecting any one of them at all! And of course, she/he shouldn't in those cases.

Barbara Cochran, MFA Jul 27, 2022:

JW, Lighten Up, Already You are confusing a comedic statement into something it obviously is not-rudeness! Tony has told me in the past that he is a four-eyes. So I'm sure he can appreciate the humor. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that I still "disagree" with his statements re: the asker's question, anyway.

Carol Gullidge Jul 27, 2022:

@ Phil re helpful answers If I remember rightly, Asker is prompted to grade Answers according to the "most helpful" i.e., not necessarily the one that comes closest to the translation eventually used. This can be the first one to actually unravel the intended meaning rather than a later poster who is subsequently able to provide a nice and appropriate answer that may or may not be based on this explanation. In other words, the first Answer that pointed the Asker in the right direction. And here it would be helpful if the Asker were to contribute, either with her own interpretation of the ST, and/or her comments on the Answers suggested so far.
And I do agree with Tony that the Asker should not expect to receive ready-made answers, especially with literary questions.

Tony M Jul 27, 2022:

@ Phil As I've already explained, this cannot just be simplistically 'translated' without reworking the entire sentence — of which I'm sure Asker must be more than capable, but which is decidedly outside the remit of this specifically 'terminology' forum.

philgoddard Jul 27, 2022:

Actually I think we do have just about enough context, though we shouldn't have to go digging for more information.

The director is Tim Burton, and the film is Big Eyes, based on the life of a real artist, which is a departure from his normal style.

I think Tony is right in his interpretation, but we need a translation.