Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
As our engagement is determined
French translation:
que notre mission se trouve résiliée / prendra fin
Added to glossary by
Adrian MM.
Jan 18, 2022 16:24
2 yrs ago
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English term
France
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Native in: French
Works in: English to French, Spanish to French, Italian to French
As our engagement is determined
English to French
Law/Patents
Law (general)
Lettre de mission pour un cabinet.
"We shall send you a final bill after completion of the work you have asked us to undertake, or at such other time as our engagement is determined"
Une idée sur cette expression ?
J'aurais tendance à dire : " à tout moment stipulé".
Merci d'avance,
"We shall send you a final bill after completion of the work you have asked us to undertake, or at such other time as our engagement is determined"
Une idée sur cette expression ?
J'aurais tendance à dire : " à tout moment stipulé".
Merci d'avance,
Proposed translations
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| 3 +3 | que notre mission se trouve résiliée / est dénoncée |
Adrian MM.
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| 4 +2 | à tout autre moment où notre contract prend fin |
Daryo
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Change log
Jan 19, 2022 14:00: Adrian MM. Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Adrian MM.
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Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish) 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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que notre mission se trouve résiliée / est dénoncée
Looks odd and ambiguous, but legalistically used, especially for 'contrats de location' : letting agreements and as a neutral alternative to termination. There may be no active stop put to the engagement (fin mise à la mission), but it may 'determine' by ending on its own 'by effluxion of time' or be 'frustrated' by impossibility, such as the outbreak of war or an earthquake etc.
Anecdotally, a director at my inhouse London translation office once rushed - like a headless chicken - into my room in a panic over the translation into BrE by a UK lawyer of 'determination of the lease' for 'Kündigung eines Mietvertrags' out of the German: 'is it wrong?' he asked. 'Non!' - I replied, 'It's brilliant.'
PS The wording, I am sure, can be construed this way in the UK, but may be unfamiliar to US American Attorneys-at-Law.
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Note added at 1 hr (2022-01-18 17:58:49 GMT)
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alt. prendra fin......
Anecdotally, a director at my inhouse London translation office once rushed - like a headless chicken - into my room in a panic over the translation into BrE by a UK lawyer of 'determination of the lease' for 'Kündigung eines Mietvertrags' out of the German: 'is it wrong?' he asked. 'Non!' - I replied, 'It's brilliant.'
PS The wording, I am sure, can be construed this way in the UK, but may be unfamiliar to US American Attorneys-at-Law.
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Note added at 1 hr (2022-01-18 17:58:49 GMT)
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alt. prendra fin......
Example sentence:
During the three (3) months immediately preceding the determination of the Term, the Landlord shall be at liberty to affix and retain without interference upon any external part of the Premises a notice for re-letting the same.
On ne peut que conseiller à l'architecte dont la mission est résiliée en phase de conception d'informer le MO qu'il n'accepte aucune responsabilité pour des plans provisoires, non définitifs.
Reference:
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-french/economics/675180-scoping.html
http://www.indy.fr/blog/comment-resilier-mission-expert-comptable/
Peer comment(s):
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ph-b (X)
: Exactement le sens que j'étais en train de vérifier./Not my intention at all! Comme je disais, je faisais des recherches qd vous avez affiché votre réponse et il m'a semblé que cette réf. renforçait votre contribution. Sorry for the misunderstanding!
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Merci, Philippe! Determine is an unusual contractual label, used mainly in landlord & tenant law & is otherwise a nasty trap for the unwary. // Merci & thanks for the Discussion Entry teaching me the US American use of the term. I now have egg on my face!
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AllegroTrans
: Yes, and "determined" correctly understtod, of course
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Thanks, Chris.
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Daryo
: makes sense, my only reservation is about how would this apply to a contract for supplying services. Do you "rent" an architect or an accountant?
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That's reverse logic, Determine, as mentioned, is a general contractual term that can extend to the 'hiring' = louage of services.
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Jennifer Levey
: Yes - in Asker's context it refers to premature termination of the mandate.
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hanks, Jennifer.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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English term (edited):
at such other time as our engagement is determined
à tout autre moment où notre contract prend fin
simply - doesn't matter why and how it ends.
Peer comment(s):
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Samuel Clarisse
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Merci!
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Laurent Di Raimondo
: “à tout autre moment où notre engagement prend fin” ou “à tout moment lorsqu’il est mis fin à notre mission”.
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Oui. Merci!
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ph-b (X)
: En effet, comme indiqué par Adrian dans la note qu'il a ajoutée il y a plusieurs heures déjà.
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OK, I know it's not any kind of spectacular improvement to Adrian's proposed answer, but I still think it's worth being offered as an alternative answer.
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Jennifer Levey
: tout autre moment is too broad. A contract terminates naturally upon "completion of the work you have asked us to undertake". IOW, the ST must be referring to a moment où notre contract prend fin that occurs before such completion.
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Did you look at the ST? As in "... or at such other time as ..."? It's obviously the natural end of the contract as after that ***there would nothing left to terminate***?
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AllegroTrans
: No improvement on Adrian's answer and I agree with Jennifer here
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Discussion
to come or bring to an end, as an estate or interest in land.
US : 7. Law
to end; terminate
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/determi...