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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

el fenómeno del diseño

English translation:

the design phenomenon

Added to glossary by James A. Walsh
Apr 9, 2010 22:01
14 yrs ago
Spanish term

"el fen�meno del dise�o"

Spanish to English Social Sciences Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. Latin America
The phrase belongs to a sociology article about changes in Argentine society post- crisis. My client says the idea is to show the growing importance of graphics instead of words.
The whole paragraph is: "Por �ltimo abordaremos el fen�meno del dise�o".
I've got a couple of ideas, but no certainty at all.
I'd really appreciate your advice
Proposed translations (English)
4 +6 the design phenomenon
4 +4 design as a phenomenon
3 +3 design
4 "the issue of design"
4 -1 the boom of design / the boom of graphics design
3 the graphics trend
Change log

Apr 12, 2010 15:50: James A. Walsh Created KOG entry

Discussion

ormiston Apr 10, 2010:
is the issue here not basically the "advent of graphics" ? (and not really 'design' per se, as borne out by the Asker's own context)
Nelson Aguillon Apr 9, 2010:
hmmm... I am not getting that at all, but then again, it could just be me.
Juan Vilca Apr 9, 2010:
Alright. But it seemed for a moment to be a play with the graphics, since Mercedes' note to Patricias' answer has all the correct characters included. Either way, it comes out as clever when put together with the client's explanation of the idea as the growing importance of graphics instead of words.
Nelson Aguillon Apr 9, 2010:
Juan, it just means that the typest does not have the Spanish keyboard setup. No "ñ" and no "ó". That is why symbols appear.
Juan Vilca Apr 9, 2010:
Is the point of this actually the appearance of symbols embedded in the text (e.g. The P¶enomenon o¶ des¶gn) ? Are the authors making their point in a clever manner?

Proposed translations

+6
48 mins
Spanish term (edited): el fenómeno del diseño
Selected

the design phenomenon

My take on it.
Example sentence:

Last but not Least - the Design Phenomenon

Reference:

http://www.google.es/search?hl=es&q=design+phenomenon&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Peer comment(s):
agree Jim Tucker (X) : This is OK...@ ormiston: the point is not that any particular kind of design has become a phenomenon, but rather that design itself has come to occupy new cultural niches.
3 hrs
Thanks, Jim.
agree Bubo Coroman (X) : to me this seems the obvious choice... "the phenomenon of design" means the same thing but sounds clunky in comparison
5 hrs
Thank you Deborah.
neutral ormiston : same reservation as above. You are left wondering about what sort of design has become a phenomenon
9 hrs
Thanks for your comment ormiston, however, I'm not left wondering about anything as I understand it in the same context as Jim describes above...
agree Evans (X) : no need to" look for the cat's three feet" (to badly translate a well-known phrase) here
14 hrs
Cheers, Gilla.
agree liz askew : Exactly.
17 hrs
Thanks, Liz.
agree Cecilia Rey : agree with Gilla.
21 hrs
Thanks, Cecilia.
agree Victoria Frazier
1 day 20 hrs
Thanks, Victoria.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I finally decided to use this one, but all of you have been of great help. Thank you very much!"
21 mins

"the issue of design"

This is how I would normalize it.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Jennifer Levey : 'issue' has in recent years (and especially in the US, it seems) taken on the perjorative sense of 'problem'. Not appropriate here... (I also disagree with 'normalize' in this context.)
39 mins
If I heard the word 'issue' within the context in question, I would not give it the meaning of 'problem', but I respect your opinion.
agree philgoddard : I don't agree with Mediamatrix at all. Issue is used as a euphemism for problem, but it can also just mean subject or topic.
43 mins
Thank you philgoddard!
neutral Jim Tucker (X) : I think mediamatrix is thinking of "issues" in the colloquial sense, but that's generally only in pl.
10 hrs
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+3
16 mins

design

Finally, we take up design.

Personally, I often drop fenómeno fr my translations. Is this really the entire paragraph?

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Note added at 36 mins (2010-04-09 22:37:45 GMT)
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Well, it seems well written enough to me. Hope it's not giving you headaches! ;-)
Note from asker:
Well, it's the sentence. In my opinion they are researchers...but not such writers. The text goes: "Por último, abordaremos el fenómeno del diseño. La estetización de la vida cotidiana dio lugar a la expansión creciente de una nueva categoría de trabajadores, que adoptan la creatividad como un trabajo(...)"
Peer comment(s):
agree Christine Walsh : Or possibly 'the matter of...'
3 mins
I like that, Chris!!
agree Jennifer Levey : abordaremos el fenómeno del diseño --> 'we will look at design' - now't more, now't less.
40 mins
thanks!
agree philgoddard
50 mins
thank you, Phil!
neutral Cecilia Rey : Too general. It doesn't convey the meaning of "fenómeno" in this context.
1 hr
phenomenon (per Merriam-Webster's) is "an observable fact or event" and to me it is redundant since "design" is a fact. It has that meaning in English, too, but I didn't read it that way. I think you may be right...
neutral Jim Tucker (X) : This is a little different: "the phenomenon of design" = "the growing presence of design," or "the spread of design as an element of the social fabric" rather than design in itself. See the beginning of the next sentence.
3 hrs
Cecilia and you have me pretty much convinced. Thanks for making your point!
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+4
27 mins

design as a phenomenon

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Note added at 40 mins (2010-04-09 22:42:21 GMT)
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Don't want to tread on anyone's toes, but this is actually a pretty fixed, standard expression in the world of fashion/design...
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
38 mins
thank you! ;-)
agree Cecilia Rey
59 mins
Thank you Cecilia! ;-9
agree Jim Tucker (X)
3 hrs
thank you Jim! ;-)
neutral ormiston : don't want to tread on your toes either, but I have trouble grasping its meaning here, although your examples are fine, none talks of design in general or PER SE as a phenomenon - certain forms of design, etc. are, yes. Do you get my point at all?
9 hrs
I think you should check those references, as they certainly do talk of design as a phenomenon!
agree liz askew : Well, this is what it says.
17 hrs
thank you Liz! ;-)
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-1
30 mins

the boom of design / the boom of graphics design

sugerencias

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Note added at 47 mins (2010-04-09 22:48:53 GMT)
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Interpreto abordar el tema de "el fenómeno del diseño" el hablar sobre el porqué se dio un auge del diseño ...
Peer comment(s):
disagree Jennifer Levey : Tautology: 'graphics design'. // Tautology is generally frowned upon in English and is decidedly obtrusive here because the stylistic effect it can (sometimes) generate is inappropriate in this context.
27 mins
Sorry, but "graphic design" is not a tautology. What about interior design, modern design, furniture design, etc ?
neutral Jim Tucker (X) : Agree that graphic design is not a tautology; "boom" is a more colloquial meaning of "phenomenon," probably not the one intended by the writer.
3 hrs
Thanks, Jim. I agree that "boom" is no the best word in this case. In fact, I've voted a peer's answer. But, sometimes "fenómeno" is used more colloquially in Spanish.
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10 hrs

the graphics trend

perhaps this covers it, i.e. the idea that graphics is playing an increasing role vs. words. I'm still not sure that design is right here, it's more the original notion of 'drawing'

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Note added at 12 hrs (2010-04-10 10:35:21 GMT)
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re. peer comments, I respect your opinions, but still wonder why "Design" would compete with words/text as per Asker's introduction, whereas (creative) graphics would....oh well
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