| Pages in topic: < [1 2 3 4 5] > | Job ads specifying female interpreters Thread poster: philgoddard
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| Good female interpreters | Sep 5, 2013 |
Marie-Helene Dubois wrote:
Your comment Mario about preferring the "company" of a woman over a man, while being of course perfectly acceptable as a personal choice, doesn't do much to explain the logic of this job ad since, if you want an interpreter (to interpret), you hire an interpreter and if it's company you want, you need to hire an escort.
You have missed the third option: hiring a "good" female interpreter (to interpret) and at the same time a woman (not an escort!, or even not a necessarily good looking woman), because sometimes men find women more pleasant and interesting to talk with. My usage of the word "company" is different from yours and mind you, I am not a male-chauvinist.
In any case, I wonder even in the most politically-correct countries how many interpretation companies at the end would refuse to work with clients with specific gender-related requirements.
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
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| oh darling you're so funny | Sep 5, 2013 |
Mario Cerutti wrote:
-----sometimes men find women more pleasant and interesting to talk with. ....
Only if they laugh happily at everything I say, to show me how witty and charming they find me.
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Rudolf Vedo CT wrote: Mario Cerutti wrote:
But I still fail to understand why as a private individual I would be expected, contrary to public employers, to have such an obligation towards the society. On the other hand the talk here is about private transactions and in my opinion it's also a matter of basic freedom.
I fail to understand why anyone would need or want the "basic freedom" to discriminate based on illegitimate and arbitrary criteria. What exactly do you believe your obligations to society to be, if these do not include actively or passively opposing obvious iniquity?
Simple, because in this context choosing female over male is not a matter of discrimination for me. In some other cases I may prefer male over female. I want to maintain this freedom. And I know and feel very well my obligations to society, I tell you!
| | | | | What about a good female interpreter who is unpleasant and uninteresting? | Sep 5, 2013 |
Mario Cerutti wrote:
You have missed the third option: hiring a "good" female interpreter (to interpret) and at the same time a woman (not an escort!, or even not a necessarily good looking woman), because sometimes men find women more pleasant and interesting to talk with. My usage of the word "company" is different from yours and mind you, I am not a male-chauvinist.
In any case, I wonder even in the most politically-correct countries how many interpretation companies at the end would refuse to work with clients with specific gender-related requirements.
So Mario, what exactly would be the nature of your "interest" in a good female interpreter? Perhaps this hypothetical woman is a great interpreter but not necessarily pleasant and not particularly willing to be the butt of your "interest".
I really think that you're confusing your interest in pleasant women with the requirements of a company that wishes to hire a person to do a JOB.
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| Looking for a good-looking female interpreter | Sep 5, 2013 |
This in itself sounds fishy to me.
| | | | Giles Watson 
Italy
Local time: 23:04
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In memoriam | The liberal society and the ethical society | Sep 5, 2013 |
Rudolf Vedo CT wrote: Mario Cerutti wrote:
But I still fail to understand why as a private individual I would be expected, contrary to public employers, to have such an obligation towards the society. On the other hand the talk here is about private transactions and in my opinion it's also a matter of basic freedom.
I fail to understand why anyone would need or want the "basic freedom" to discriminate based on illegitimate and arbitrary criteria. What exactly do you believe your obligations to society to be, if these do not include actively or passively opposing obvious iniquity?
Hi Rudolf,
Making decisions on any criteria you fancy, and of course taking responsibility for the consequences, is very much a basic human freedom in the liberal school of thought.
You seem to be coming from the "ethical society" end of the liberal-ethical spectrum, in which codified laws take moral, political or religious decisions pre-emptively on behalf of citizens by defining certain actions or beliefs as unlawful.
People have differing views on where the point of balance lies between these two extremes.
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Tom in London wrote: Mario Cerutti wrote:
-----sometimes men find women more pleasant and interesting to talk with. .... Only if they laugh happily at everything I say, to show me how witty and charming they find me.
Maybe this is the way you feel with women and consider them, but I respect that.
| | | | Claudia Cherici
Italy
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Mario Cerutti wrote: Tom in London wrote: Mario Cerutti wrote:
-----sometimes men find women more pleasant and interesting to talk with. .... Only if they laugh happily at everything I say, to show me how witty and charming they find me. Maybe this is the way you feel with women and consider them, but I respect that.
Mario you would respect such a blatant lack for respect for women?? really?
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Tom in London
United Kingdom
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Mario Cerutti wrote: Tom in London wrote: Mario Cerutti wrote:
-----sometimes men find women more pleasant and interesting to talk with. .... Only if they laugh happily at everything I say, to show me how witty and charming they find me. Maybe this is the way you feel with women and consider them, but I respect that.
I see you don't understand irony.
| | | | | Here we are again | Sep 5, 2013 |
[quote]Marie-Helene Dubois wrote:
Mario Cerutti wrote:
I really think that you're confusing your interest in pleasant women with the requirements of a company that wishes to hire a person to do a JOB.
I didn't see the ad of the company in question, because it seems that Proz.com has deleted it. Certainly they were looking for an interpreter, possible a good one because they were going to pay for the service, but at the same time they wished a nice-looking one to do the JOB. This is their business and we all, Proz.com included, should respect their choice. If they only wanted a nice-looking woman to enjoy themselves after a business meeting they would have probably hired an escort, right?
In any case, I don't care much what you think I am confusing about. Certainly, if I had to choose between one *good* female/male interpreter and one *good-plus-nice-looking female interpreter* I would choose the latter. It's my choice, it's my money and I would be committing no crime against society. This is basically what I tried to say although in my limited English.
| | | | | I agree. It would not be acceptable in Texas, or anywhere | Sep 5, 2013 |
in the US, exactly like any native language requests, non-smoking requests, age specific requests would not be legal in the US. There might be a reason that they need women -- sometimes if you work for a female team at various sports competitions you have to spend some time in the locker room. Other than that, not really. Even a request with a justification of the requirement will not be posted by any newspaper in the US.
Online sites might be governed by different laws, though ... See more in the US, exactly like any native language requests, non-smoking requests, age specific requests would not be legal in the US. There might be a reason that they need women -- sometimes if you work for a female team at various sports competitions you have to spend some time in the locker room. Other than that, not really. Even a request with a justification of the requirement will not be posted by any newspaper in the US.
Online sites might be governed by different laws, though -- I don't know.
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| | | | LEXpert
United States
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| non-smoking requests? | Sep 5, 2013 |
LilianBNekipelo wrote:
in the US, exactly like any native language requests, non-smoking requests, age specific requests would not be legal in the US.
For real? When did smokers become a protected class?
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| no crime perhaps | Sep 5, 2013 |
Mario Cerutti wrote:
Certainly, if I had to choose between one *good* female/male interpreter and one *good-plus-nice-looking female interpreter* I would choose the latter. It's my choice, it's my money and I would be committing no crime against society. This is basically what I tried to say although in my limited English.
This may be news to you but in some countries, discriminating based on someone's gender and looks when this has no bearing on this person's ability to do a job is not considered a "freedom".
In some countries in this day and age you would indeed risk being sued for stating that you didn't employ a woman because she wasn't enough of a looker for your liking.
It is interesting though that you claim not to be a male chauvinist when you are clearly unable to see anything wrong with espousing the belief that women's sole purpose is to provide you with eye-candy. I think your English is the least of your concerns.
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| Are you serious? | Sep 5, 2013 |
Rudolf Vedo CT wrote: LilianBNekipelo wrote:
in the US, exactly like any native language requests, non-smoking requests, age specific requests would not be legal in the US.
For real? When did smokers become a protected class?
Of course they are. You can request that someone not smoke at work, but you can't exclude people who smoke from applying to a job.
| | | | Tom in London
United Kingdom
Local time: 22:04
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| Not allowed here | Sep 5, 2013 |
Lincoln Hui wrote:
You can request that someone not smoke at work
Here in the UK you don't need to do that. Smoking in the workplace is illegal.
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