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English term or phrase:

Use of conditionals

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Added to glossary by Wilsonn Perez Reyes
Mar 21, 2007 20:29
17 yrs ago
English term

Use of conditionals

Non-PRO English Art/Literary Linguistics Conditionals
I would like to know the differences of the use of "were to have/had" in the following cases as well as the way such differences should be reflected in translation.

If you ***were to have*** a legal dispute, what would happen?

If you ***were to have*** walked into a health food store twenty years ago, about the only thing you would have probably found were protein powders, a few herbs, and some vitamins.

In contrast with:

If you ***had*** a legal dispute, what would happen?

If you ***had*** walked into a health food store twenty years ago, about the only thing you would have probably found were protein powders, a few herbs, and some vitamins.

Thanks.
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Mar 21, 2007 21:16: Tony M changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

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Your first two examples are rather formal in style, and have rather dropped out of use in current, everyday usage.

Your second alternatives would be more usual nowadays.

To my ears, the use of your first two versions implies an even more hypothetical nature to the supposition, but it would be a very slight nuance, and quite debatable. "were you to have..." kind of implies "but of course you didn't"

Do note the differnces between the use of have, as a verb in its own right in your first example, and as an auxiliary in the second.

In fact, I'm not so sure these are conditionals at all; aren't they in fact the subjunctive?

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Note added at 1 hr (2007-03-21 22:03:41 GMT)
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I think the first use of 'have' is misleading [#1 and #3) — it sounds a little odd to say 'have a legal dispute'.

"If you were to be involved in a legal dispute" resolves the question, since the other version (i.e. #3) wouldn't exist at all.
Peer comment(s):

agree Patricia Rosas : yes, those are subjunctives, and nearing extinction; I still use them, however, even in speech if I want to emphasis the hypothetical nature of the situation...Tony: Undoubtedly... but what's a subjunct?? ;-) saludos
26 mins
Thanks, Patricia! (Yes, me too... are we closet subjuncts?)
agree William [Bill] Gray : ... with you, Tony, and Patricia.
40 mins
Thanks, Bill!
agree Richard Benham : "If you had..." seems odd to me. Seems to suggest a concrete situation where someone had a choice, but chose differently. Good for recriminations: "If you had done your homework hours ago instead of playing that silly game maybe I would have let you...".
1 hr
Thanks, RB! In #4, I think we'd more likely say "Had you..."
agree Robert Fox : and I think it should say 'would have been protein powders' not 'were'
2 hrs
Thanks, Robert! Can't decide, personally! As it follows on from 'would have found', I think the indicative is probably OK here, but far from sure...
agree Seema Ugrankar
3 hrs
Thanks, Seema!
agree Alfa Trans (X)
8 hrs
Thanks, Marju!
agree kmtext
11 hrs
Thanks, KMT!
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