Mar 2, 2018 15:46
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abandoned machines and motors (in 1922)

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Hi,
at first glance I interpreted “machines” in the passage below as “cars”, but this happened about 1922: were there so many abandoned cars at that time?
Could machines refer instead to other kinds of appliances?
Thanks so much and have a nice weekend!

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From age four, Feynman’s parents essentially locked him out of the house, behind which was a junkyard.
The young Feynman would tinker with ** abandoned machines and motors **, and eventually began to fix clocks.
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Discussion

haribert (asker) Mar 7, 2018:
I'm so sorry I haven't been able to find out whether Tony's hypothesis of "motors = cars" was right...
During my research on the Internet, I've also found that Feynman work is associated with "molecular machines and motors": I don't know anything about physics and chemistry, but, who knows, maybe in saying "machines and motors", the authors were also been influenced by these discoveries...
Thank you so much for your help!
haribert (asker) Mar 5, 2018:
Charles Davis, thank you so much! Charles, thank you so much for your contribution: it's very very helpful and I think I may quote the book in a Translator's Note.
Have a nice week!
Tony M Mar 2, 2018:
motor = car And let's not forget that in the UK at least, in informal usage 'motor' is still used for car, as in "Nice motor, mate!" (glottal stop almost obligatory!)
Charles Davis Mar 2, 2018:
History of junkyards in the US Urban junkyards were very widespread by 1922 and the trade in recycling junk was an organised and institutionalised industry. By the end of the nineteenth century items abandoned in them included "the detritus of farm machinery, household tools and appliances, scrapped vehicles, and retired industrial machinery".

Cars were abandoned by this time:
"In the 1920s, the automobile graveyard became a new, specialized junkyard, where customers could purchase obsolete automobiles for scrap or purchase individual parts off junked automobiles in order to repair other automobiles."
https://books.google.es/books?id=BFaB5xsGbaMC&pg=PA451

So by 1922 there certainly could have been abandoned cars in the junkyard behind Feynman's home (in Queens, NY).

"Motor" was already used to mean "a motor car; an automobile" by 1913.
http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/motor

That meaning is still listed in the modern Merriam-Webster dictionary. Given that this is reporting what Feynman told someone, albeit many years later, I think he could have used the word "motors" to refer to cars, though this is far from certain, of course. It could mean motors from motorised machines or appliances.
haribert (asker) Mar 2, 2018:
Thanks Phil! have a nice weekend!
philgoddard Mar 2, 2018:
If this is a contemporary text, it's unlikely that "motors" means cars, and they mean "motors and other machines".
A junkyard is a place that buys scrap cars and sells the parts. I'm sure they had them in 1922 as well.
haribert (asker) Mar 2, 2018:
Hi Phil, it is possible that the words date back to some time ago, but I don't know when exactly.
before, the authors say:
We heard a terrifically illustrative story about Richard Feynman, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist, from a friend who had met him when she was about fourteen years old. Given the chance to pick his brain, she asked him how he got so smart. He said it was simple. From age four, his parents….

So Feynman's words may not be contemporary...
My doubt, however, is: was it really possible that parents sent a little child in a place where cars were destroyed? Did such places already exist in 1922? Could "junkyard" mean a "junk dealer", instead?
philgoddard Mar 2, 2018:
"Machines and motors" is a tautology, because a motor is a machine. Either it's bad writing, which is possible, or it means cars. Of course, cars are machines too...
I agree with Tony that when it was written could be a clue. People don't usually refer to cars as motors these days.
haribert (asker) Mar 2, 2018:
Tony, Thanks for your very interesting contribution. Actually, the text is a contemporary one, but I don't know whether the words I mention were used by Feynman.. It's not in the form of a quote, however. By the way, I guess "junkyard" was something "smaller", maybe a sort of shop - a junk dealer - than a modern junkyard where you scrap cars...
Tony M Mar 2, 2018:
@ Asker Depending on when the text was written, compared to the period being written about, it is quite possible that 'motors' in fact meant 'motor cars' — note that in the early days, they were very often shortened to 'motors' — cf. General Motors and Ford Motor Company.

In your context, that would make a lot more sense than simply non-specific motors of some kind...
haribert (asker) Mar 2, 2018:
Tina, I was thinking of "washing machine", "sewing machine"..."household appliances"...

Responses

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machine = any piece of machinery

Imo
Note from asker:
Thank you Dariusz for your help! I said "appliances" because I though of "household appliances", maybe "sewing machines"...
Peer comment(s):

agree Tina Vonhof (X) : I don't think 'appliances' fall under machines.
2 mins
Thank you, Tina.
agree Tony M : But in those days, fewer domestic appliances (which are after all a kind of machine) — but probably thinks like agricultural or industrial machinery, etc.
21 mins
My thoughts exactly. Thank you, Tony.
agree Terry Richards : Anything you might find in a junk yard (a wonderful place for a boy to play!)
49 mins
Thank you, Terry.
agree philgoddard
3 hrs
Thank you, Phil.
agree Jack Doughty
4 hrs
Thank you, Jack.
agree acetran
2 days 3 hrs
Thank you, Acetran.
agree GILLES MEUNIER
2 days 15 hrs
Thank you, GILOU.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you very much, Dariusz, for your help! Many thanks also to all other contributors, especially Tony M. for his interesting hypothesis and Charles Davis for his useful reference! Your help is invaluable!!"
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English term (edited): motors

(old, scrap) cars

Just to complement my discussion post, since your question actually included both terms.
Peer comment(s):

agree Lingua 5B
1 hr
Thanks, Lingua!
neutral philgoddard : We can't be sure, but I think this is less likely because it's a contemporary text and people don't call cars motors any more. // True. Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Ullo_John!_Gotta_New_Motor?
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Actualyl, in the UK they do, albeit in a different register! But I think here they speaker might have been looking back and using the terminology of the period.
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2 hrs

cars and engines

Following from Tony's observations that "motors" was (and still sometimes is) means "cars"

A junkyard can be expected to have both abandoned engines and car bodies
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : Y-e-s — but we much less often refer to car engines as 'motors' — which si evry much a modern, informal usage, I believe; so in 1922, one might have expected it to be electric motors. Which is what makes me think that 'motor-cars' is more plausible
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