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barón

English translation: (political) heavyweights

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Spanish term or phrase:barón
English translation:(political) heavyweights
Entered by: Jessie LN

10:46 Jan 17, 2014
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Government / Politics
Spanish term or phrase: barón
This is from an article on Spain's new abortion legislation. I know what "barones" means, but I was wondering if anyone with more political knowledge than me could think of a good way to express it in English (even if it means keeping the original Spanish word in the translation and offering an English equivalent/explanation alongside it). Thank you!

"Tanto es así que esta misma semana se ha hecho evidente el malestar de algunos dirigentes regionale del PP, los llamados **‘barones’**, quienes esperan poder suavizar el texto en su fase de tramitación parlamentaria."
Jessie LN
United Kingdom
Local time: 05:35
(political) heavyweights
Explanation:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/heavywe...
2.1a person of influence or importance in a particular sphere: a political heavyweight with national recognition
More example sentences

American political heavyweights and reclusive Hollywood stars will come together in New York next month to help two Irish men launch a new glossy magazine for dog lovers.

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Note added at 11 mins (2014-01-17 10:57:50 GMT)
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You could, of course, incorporate Alejandro's information:
regional political heavyweights

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Note added at 13 mins (2014-01-17 10:59:32 GMT)
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Oh, excuse me; I just noticed that "regional" is in the sentence just before "barones". Consequently, there's no need to repeat it here.

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-01-17 12:10:18 GMT)
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As per Neil's comment, you could put:

RULING HEAVYWEIGHTS
Selected response from:

Cinnamon Nolan
Spain
Local time: 06:35
Grading comment
Thank you! To me, this fits the context well and gets the idea across.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +9(political) heavyweights
Cinnamon Nolan
4 +3grandee
Edward Tully
3 +2regional party boss
Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
4 +1baron
philgoddard
Summary of reference entries provided
Interesting collocation
neilmac

Discussion entries: 3





  

Answers


9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
regional party boss


Explanation:
Yo no lo traduciría, sino que me limitaría a usar un término casi equivalente y muy frecuente como el que propongo:
"dirigentes regionale del PP, los llamados **‘barones’**" = regional party bosses.

Otra posibilidad es la traducción literal al inglés: "party's barons", como en el siguiente ejemplo:

Rajoy and party barons fail to agree on deficit | In English | EL PAÍS
elpais.com/elpais/2013/05/27/inenglish/1369679047_844633.html‎
27/5/2013 - PP says regions have made “firm commitment” to reducing shortfall.

Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes
Spain
Native speaker of: Spanish
PRO pts in category: 68

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  neilmac: "Barons" also works fine to describe throwbacks like Fábra (y un largo etc.)
41 mins
  -> Gracias.
agree  Pablo Julián Davis: This is right, a more specific term than 'heavyweights' which is a characterization/value judgment. 'bosses' on the other hand, while not a formal title or position, refers to a particular kind of power wielded.
5 hrs
  -> Thank you, Pablo J.
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16 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
grandee


Explanation:
If for the U.K. at least: Influential party members.

http://www.wordreference.com/enesl/grandes



The Tory grandees of the 1990s: What became of the big beasts ...



www.economist.com/blogs/.../tory_grandees_1990s‎






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25/2/2011 - SOME governments are dominated by the prime minister and the chancellor of the exchequer, such as New Labour and the current coalition.


Tory grandees honour 30th anniversary of Margaret Thatcher's ...



www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Tory-grandees-honour-30th...‎



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10/6/2009 - Tory grandees gathered to honour the 30th anniversary of Lady Thatcher's historic election victory last night as David Cameron said the next ...


MPs' expenses: Paying bills for Tory grandees - Telegraph



www.telegraph.co.uk › ... › MPs' expenses‎



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11/5/2009 - Senior Conservatives have subsidised their country estates at taxpayers' expense, with the upkeep of swimming pools, clearance of moats and ...


David Cameron ally Alan Lewis' Crombie business empire funded ...



www.mirror.co.uk/.../david-cameron-ally-alan-lewis...‎



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6/10/2013 - Posh overcoat firm Crombie trades on its patriotic British image but there is a tangled web of offshore connections in the Caribbean.


Edward Tully
Local time: 06:35
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 292

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  neilmac: Although perhaps a little too "British" and sounds a bit olde-worlde?
32 mins
  -> definitely UK, but still in common usage in the media - many thanks Neil! ;-)
neutral  Cinnamon Nolan: It's correct and still used, but much less common in this context than "heavyweight". There might also be some confusion with Grandee being the translation of the aristocratic title "un grande de España"
1 hr
  -> True, although I can't see how it could be confused with "un grande de España" in this context! ;-)
agree  philgoddard: I think this is perfect - you could just say "local PP grandees".
4 hrs
  -> Many thanks Phil, I'm glad someone agrees! ;-)
agree  Denise Phelps: Some topical support today for your answer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25792289
1 day 2 hrs
  -> Many thanks Denise! ;-)
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +9
(political) heavyweights


Explanation:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/heavywe...
2.1a person of influence or importance in a particular sphere: a political heavyweight with national recognition
More example sentences

American political heavyweights and reclusive Hollywood stars will come together in New York next month to help two Irish men launch a new glossy magazine for dog lovers.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 11 mins (2014-01-17 10:57:50 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

You could, of course, incorporate Alejandro's information:
regional political heavyweights

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 13 mins (2014-01-17 10:59:32 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Oh, excuse me; I just noticed that "regional" is in the sentence just before "barones". Consequently, there's no need to repeat it here.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 1 hr (2014-01-17 12:10:18 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

As per Neil's comment, you could put:

RULING HEAVYWEIGHTS

Cinnamon Nolan
Spain
Local time: 06:35
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 28
Grading comment
Thank you! To me, this fits the context well and gets the idea across.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Simon Bruni: this feels right
1 min
  -> Thanks, Simon. :)
agree  Carol Gullidge
27 mins
  -> Cheers, Carol. :)
agree  neilmac: Works everywhere IMO, although Spanish also uses "pesos pesados".
39 mins
  -> Cheers, Neil. Aren't the "barones" normally the "pesos pesados" in Spanish political parties?
agree  María Perales
56 mins
  -> Thanks, María. :-)
agree  Wendy Streitparth
1 hr
  -> Cheers, Carol :)
agree  James A. Walsh
2 hrs
  -> Ta, James. :-)
agree  Rosa Paredes
7 hrs
  -> Thanks, Rosa. :)
agree  Muriel Vasconcellos: After much thought, I've decided to opt for your answer.
12 hrs
  -> Thanks, Muriel; means a lot, coming from you.
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
2 days 6 hrs
  -> Thanks!. :)
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
baron


Explanation:
I think "baron" works perfectly well in English too, and I think the translation should respect the writer's choice of words. The word has slightly negative connotations, implying personal fiefdoms ruled with an iron hand.

Example sentence(s):
  • Obama’s Budget Faces Test Among Party Barons
  • From 1876 through 1932, Kernell explained, the party barons were looking for someone safe who would abide by the tacit rules of the game: spreading patronage ...

    Reference: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/10/us/politics/10chairmen.htm...
    Reference: http://books.google.com/books?id=cJFlHHTYgw4C&pg=PT1012&lpg=...
philgoddard
United States
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 123

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Rosa Paredes
1 hr
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Reference comments


53 mins
Reference: Interesting collocation

Reference information:
"Robber barons" gets 875,000 google hits...


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)
neilmac
Spain
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 200
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