primer olvido

English translation: as pristine as it was at the beginning of time

10:22 Feb 21, 2010
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary - Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Spanish term or phrase: primer olvido
This must be some sort of set phrase, is it a biblical reference? I can't get the jist from the many google hits

Pero, se puede jurar que aquella tarde el horizonte desde la plaza de España, pese al humo, el ruido y la furia, era prístino como el primer olvido. Parecidas sensaciones tendría, debemos reconocerlo, el cabo Alfredo Rodríguez tras su cancel del casco, después de haber despejado la calle con diligencia y obedecido las órdenes pertinentes.

The writer has been talking about a time when there were riots in Madrid between students etc and the police
William Pairman
Spain
Local time: 13:51
English translation:as pristine as it was at the beginning of time
Explanation:
It sounds like it refers to a time when it was always perfectly pristine, so far back that the image is lost in the beginning or mists of time...en el primer olvido?
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Isamar
Local time: 13:51
Grading comment
I liked the mists of time idea, I also gave the client the "literal" Freudian option as suggested by David

Thanks to everyone for your great suggestions :o)
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3as pristine as it was at the beginning of time
Isamar
4 +1the first forgetting
David Russi
3 +1as the first (ever) lost memory
claudia16 (X)
4as the very first time you forget something.
eski
3the first memory lapse
Bubo Coroman (X)


  

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34 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
the first forgetting


Explanation:
Viene de Freud:

http://www.elalmanaque.com/psicologia/freud/20k.htm
Estos motivos se encontraron en seguida, en cuanto en el interrogatorio psicoanalítico se llegó a la pregunta de si en el día crítico del primer olvido le había sucedido algo desagradable. A esta pregunta contestó...

http://psychclassics.asu.edu/Freud/Psycho/chap11.htm
The repetition of this faulty action seemed so pathologic to this order-loving man that he was quite anxious to know its psychologic motiva- [p. 270] tion, and when questioned whether he experienced anything disagreeable on the critical day of the first forgetting, and in what connection it had occurred, the motive was promptly found


David Russi
United States
Local time: 05:51
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 58

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Jim Tucker (X): Yes indeed, it is also a Freudian term. But in the asker's text it refers to the Fall in the Garden of Eden (prístino!) : Adam and Eve's first forgetting of God. Just "before the Fall" will do.
12 mins

agree  ERNESTO GARCIA MARIN
2 hrs
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48 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
as pristine as it was at the beginning of time


Explanation:
It sounds like it refers to a time when it was always perfectly pristine, so far back that the image is lost in the beginning or mists of time...en el primer olvido?

Isamar
Local time: 13:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 64
Grading comment
I liked the mists of time idea, I also gave the client the "literal" Freudian option as suggested by David

Thanks to everyone for your great suggestions :o)

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Evans (X): I think this conveys the idea behind the metaphor
23 mins

agree  David Ronder: Yes, and also because theologically speaking, history - and time - began when Adam and Eve first forgot the covenant with God. Primer olvido = beginning of time may seem counter-intuitive, but it's right.
47 mins

agree  neilmac: I prefer the "mists " version - you really got a handle on this one ;)
1 hr
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
the first memory lapse


Explanation:
the idea is that the sky is a clear space that is not "cluttered with memories"

Bubo Coroman (X)
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 147
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
as the first (ever) lost memory


Explanation:
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claudia16 (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 12:51
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 4

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Evelyn Dench
2 hrs
  -> gracias EPCS
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1 day 11 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
as the very first time you forget something.


Explanation:
Another alternative:
Your oldest forgotten memory should be intact.

eski
Mexico
Local time: 05:51
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 134
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