| Pages in topic: < [1 2] | Missleading new KudoZ invention for early grading Thread poster: Roland Nienerza
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Amy Duncan (X) 
Brazil
Local time: 06:51
Portuguese to English
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| Thanks, Sarah! | Aug 7, 2009 |
Sarah Jane Webb wrote:
Hi Amy,
I hope I didn't misunderstand your question.
Your open questions are listen in two places that I know of: one is in the My KudoZ page (an option in the drop-down Kudoz menu, and the other is on the left-hand margin of the Kudoz latest questions page, under your KudoZ points.
Have a great summer.
Sarah
Thanks very much, Sarah. Somehow I had the idea that I could move it up to sit alongside the other tabs, but this is fine! You have a great rest of the summer, too...spring will be arriving here soon.
Amy
| | | | Vitals
Lithuania
Local time: 12:51
English to Lithuanian
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| Concerning "leave it to community" | Aug 7, 2009 |
Mr. Roland, the same happened to me and now I don't know how to GET RID of those questions that hang over me and, yet, I can not close them. I think this is a bad way of limiting someone's number of questions to be asked per week (I think it's 60 for paid members).
But how about unpaid members. A few questions hanging like that and very soon they can not ask any questions AT ALL, because their number of questions is very limited (10 or 15 a week).
How about that?
... See more Mr. Roland, the same happened to me and now I don't know how to GET RID of those questions that hang over me and, yet, I can not close them. I think this is a bad way of limiting someone's number of questions to be asked per week (I think it's 60 for paid members).
But how about unpaid members. A few questions hanging like that and very soon they can not ask any questions AT ALL, because their number of questions is very limited (10 or 15 a week).
How about that?
I agree with you in your arguments, I would certainly stand for the restoration of the previous system. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Sara Noss
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:51
Member (2006)
French to English
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| Another agree - | Aug 7, 2009 |
Hello Roland and fellow forum posters,
I would also like to back the restoration of the option to grade within 24 hours. I may not always wish to exploit this option but, where relevant, I would like to grade and close a question when I have received a swift and apposite response to my query and while it is still fresh in my mind.
It has to be said that in my not very profligate "Questions asked" history, I have been guilty of being rather lax in grading answers after ... See more Hello Roland and fellow forum posters,
I would also like to back the restoration of the option to grade within 24 hours. I may not always wish to exploit this option but, where relevant, I would like to grade and close a question when I have received a swift and apposite response to my query and while it is still fresh in my mind.
It has to be said that in my not very profligate "Questions asked" history, I have been guilty of being rather lax in grading answers after waiting for the 24-hour rule to run its course. This does not imply that the answers were of no value to me, quite the contrary in fact, but a combination of being a little dizzy and rather busy means that I have not always shown my appreciation for the answers given within a decent period of time, and leaving them to another fate is not really appropriate. However, I was very impressed with Patricia's approach to closing and grading questions and shall look to do the same as an additional back-up.
Warm regards,
Sara ▲ Collapse
| | | | | If you need to ask more than 10 questions/week | Aug 7, 2009 |
Vitals wrote:
I think this is a bad way of limiting someone's number of questions to be asked per week (I think it's 60 for paid members).
But how about unpaid members. A few questions hanging like that and very soon they can not ask any questions AT ALL, because their number of questions is very limited (10 or 15 a week).
How about that?
You're working:
1. with at least one language/culture you do not fully understand
2. in a specialist area you do not fully understand
3. a combination of the above
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| This is absolutely ridiculous! | Aug 7, 2009 |
I have just seen a question with only one answer. The asker "has opted to leave it to the comunity etc.", choosing the one and only answer as the most helpful.
I'm afraid I don't get the point of this one!
| | | | | Questions with one answer | Aug 7, 2009 |
Christel Zipfel wrote: I have just seen a question with only one answer. The asker "has opted to leave it to the comunity etc.", choosing the one and only answer as the most helpful. I'm afraid I don't get the point of this one!
Hi Christel,
It was not uncommon to have askers that closed their questions minutes after having received the first answer, and in general that was considered inappropriate by the community.
Regards,
Enrique
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Vitals wrote:
Mr. Roland, the same happened to me and now I don't know how to GET RID of those questions that hang over me and, yet, I can not close them. I think this is a bad way of limiting someone's number of questions to be asked per week (I think it's 60 for paid members).
But how about unpaid members. A few questions hanging like that and very soon they can not ask any questions AT ALL, because their number of questions is very limited (10 or 15 a week).
How about that?
The system that prevents the grading of questions before 24 hours has no effect at all on the daily or weekly limits on asked questions.
Regards,
Enrique
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I don't like this feature at all. A few weeks ago I went to grade an answer that I received and found that only 23 hours had passed so I wasn't allowed to. Particularly ridiculous and a total waste of my time, considering that it is extremely unusual to have any further comment on a question after more than 12 hours have passed .
I don't think there is a way of obtaining perfection through rules and regulations and life is a lot easier with a lighter hand, just those rules that ar... See more I don't like this feature at all. A few weeks ago I went to grade an answer that I received and found that only 23 hours had passed so I wasn't allowed to. Particularly ridiculous and a total waste of my time, considering that it is extremely unusual to have any further comment on a question after more than 12 hours have passed .
I don't think there is a way of obtaining perfection through rules and regulations and life is a lot easier with a lighter hand, just those rules that are essential for peaceful co-existence. ▲ Collapse
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Lia Fail (X)
Spain
Local time: 11:51
Spanish to English
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| choice about when to grade | Aug 8, 2009 |
Roland Nienerza wrote:
.... there should still be the option for the asker to grade when he thinks fit.
I agree. Patricia has a valid point, but I sometimes like a feeling of closure, and not to have to deal with a Q referring to a job I saw the back of a week before:-) It may seem a little issue, but sometimes I'm so overwhelmed with "things to do" that it's psychologically very comforting to be able to feel that at least one issue is closed, when so many others refuse to close:-)
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may seem a little issue, but sometimes I'm so overwhelmed with "things to do" that it's psychologically very comforting to be able to feel that at least one issue is closed, when so many others refuse to close:-) [/quote]
This is precisely the way that I see this too.
But I repeat here that the automatism linked with early closing that the decision on the best answer is handed over to the "community" - in combination with an algorithm - is an unbe... See more [/quote]
may seem a little issue, but sometimes I'm so overwhelmed with "things to do" that it's psychologically very comforting to be able to feel that at least one issue is closed, when so many others refuse to close:-) [/quote]
This is precisely the way that I see this too.
But I repeat here that the automatism linked with early closing that the decision on the best answer is handed over to the "community" - in combination with an algorithm - is an unbelievable inappropriateness - to put in a KudoZ or Forum rules conform language [or what I believe to be a KuoZ or Forum rules conform language -as I have not read these rules yet]. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Elizabeth Hill Barsanti (X)
Italy
Local time: 11:51
Italian to English
| Kudoz grading | Aug 11, 2009 |
I agree that leaving grading up to a plebiscite is unprofessional and unfair and makes no sense. The asker of the question is the best judge as to which reply is the best fit in the context of his/her translation.
And I also agree that the asker should have the option of either awarding points right away if he/she has received a suitable reply, or waiting the 24 hrs to see if a more suitable reply is provided later.
I have found the procedure for awarding points confus... See more I agree that leaving grading up to a plebiscite is unprofessional and unfair and makes no sense. The asker of the question is the best judge as to which reply is the best fit in the context of his/her translation.
And I also agree that the asker should have the option of either awarding points right away if he/she has received a suitable reply, or waiting the 24 hrs to see if a more suitable reply is provided later.
I have found the procedure for awarding points confusing, too. I would appreciate it being simplified. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Rachel Fell
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:51
French to English
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| Closing questions and glossary | Aug 11, 2009 |
Sometimes when closing a question when I've found the right answer somewhere else I'd like to add it to the glossary, but I don't seem to be able to (-?). Also, the questions I've left open are for various reasons which seem justifiable to me, and perhaps if someone searching for a term comes across the page any discussion there could be useful...
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delveneto
United States
Local time: 05:51
English to Portuguese
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This "leave to the community" feature is the one responsible for most of my problems with Kudoz. Many askers are not aware of its real meaning, of its logic, so sometimes they are in a hurry and then they choose this option thinking that "the community" will do the right thing. They are not aware that the answer that they informed as the most useful has not had as many agrees as others, they are not aware that it will be very unlikely that, under such circumstances, new agrees will come to boost... See more This "leave to the community" feature is the one responsible for most of my problems with Kudoz. Many askers are not aware of its real meaning, of its logic, so sometimes they are in a hurry and then they choose this option thinking that "the community" will do the right thing. They are not aware that the answer that they informed as the most useful has not had as many agrees as others, they are not aware that it will be very unlikely that, under such circumstances, new agrees will come to boost his/her choice to the point needed so that the system will choose it and so the system chooses the "wrong" answer, I mean, not the one that the asker indicated as being the most useful.
It makes me really upset when I spend a lot of time preparing an answer, because I think the ones provided so far are not good enough, then I post it, even knowing that other previously posted answers already have some or many agrees, and I am able to convince the asker that my answer is, let's say, more appropriate for the context. But the asker, unaware or not, instead of choosing to wait the 24 hours to choose my answer, chooses to let the community decide and then my answer is not chosen.
When an asker indicates clearly that my answer was the one s/he thought to be the most useful but my answer ends up not being chosen, because the asker left for the community to decide, I get reeeeaaaallllllyyyyy upset, so upset that the only thing I think of doing is to filter the asker so to never ever help him/her again, even if I know that s/he may not have done it on purpose.
So, this feature is not good at all, it misleads new or uninformed askers into doing wrong choices.
[Edited at 2009-10-31 03:05 GMT] ▲ Collapse
| | | | Polangmar
Poland
Local time: 11:51
English to Polish
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| The good solution could be even better | Oct 31, 2009 |
delveneto wrote:
So, this feature is not good at all, it misleads new or uninformed askers into doing wrong choices.
The feature preventing the asker from closing his/her question after, say, 5 minutes is definitely a good solution. However, in some cases it is really a trap for beginners and the points go to an answer which may be correct in general but not in the particular context given in the question (it's a well-known and sad fact that many answerers/commentators read only the term line, open a dictionary and give their answer/comment).
To deal with trigger-happy answerers and commentators (as well as askers in the original idea:)) and help the asker out of the trap, a simple improvement could be introduced:
1. a) After 24 and 48 hours the asker is notified that the answer s/he has chosen won’t be selected by the robot as another answer has received two or more „agrees” (and more than the answer s/he considers the most helpful).
b) If after 24 and 48 hours there is no such answer, the asker is notified that the answer s/he has chosen may not be selected as another answer may appear and receive two or more „agrees” (and be subsequently selected by the robot).
2. The asker is given a possibility to reopen the question and choose this or another answer in the normal way (or leave the question open, also in the standard way).
3. If the asker doesn’t react to these notifications, the question will be closed in accordance with the existing algorithm (i.e. after 3 days).
Best regards
Polangmar
[Edited at 2009-10-31 15:37 GMT]
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