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incompetenze inderogabili

English translation: incurable jurisdictional defects

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Italian term or phrase:incompetenze inderogabili
English translation:incurable jurisdictional defects
Entered by: Adrian MM. (X)

08:06 May 26, 2016
Italian to English translations [PRO]
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Italian term or phrase: incompetenze inderogabili
Per ogni controversia derivante dal presente contratto, sarà competente in via esclusiva il foro di Verona, fatte salve le incompetenze inderogabili stabilite dal codice di procedura civile.

This is the entirety of one of the final clauses (FORO COMPETENTE) in a contract .
Presumably this refers to a situation in which the court of Verona does not have the necessary authority to decide on the dispute. What would the equivalent be in English? Does anyone know where this is mentioned in the CPC?
Anthony Green
Italy
Local time: 02:37
incurable jurisdictional defects (that cannot be contracted out of)
Explanation:
cf. the dictionary-driven translations of compulsory and mandatory for inderogabile (non-waivablle, no contract- or opt-out).

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Note added at 4 days (2016-05-31 07:37:41 GMT) Post-grading
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Unless a typo, the parties cannot put right, as between themselves, a wrong amount- or locus-based venue chosen: 'i casi di esecuzione forzata, di opposizione alla stessa, di procedimenti cautelari e possessori, di procedimenti in camera di consiglio...'
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Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 02:37
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I have to admit I am rather at a loss to understand the meaning and so is the customer... But if it's not a typo, this must be the meaning. Thanks
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Summary of answers provided
4 +1mandatory jurisdiction
James (Jim) Davis
3 +1incurable jurisdictional defects (that cannot be contracted out of)
Adrian MM. (X)
3sole authority/competence
Anna Amisano


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56 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
sole authority/competence


Explanation:
credo ci sia un errore, dovrebbe essere *competenze* inderogabili

Anna Amisano
Italy
Local time: 02:37
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Italian
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
competenze inderogabili
mandatory jurisdiction


Explanation:
Definitely a typo

https://www.google.it/search?num=30&safe=off&hl=it&q="salve ...

The same Google with "in" only returns this page.


https://www.google.it/search?num=30&safe=off&hl=it&q="salve ...

James (Jim) Davis
Seychelles
Local time: 04:37
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 1337

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agree  Anita M. A. Mazzoli
3 days 19 hrs
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
incurable jurisdictional defects (that cannot be contracted out of)


Explanation:
cf. the dictionary-driven translations of compulsory and mandatory for inderogabile (non-waivablle, no contract- or opt-out).

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Note added at 4 days (2016-05-31 07:37:41 GMT) Post-grading
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Unless a typo, the parties cannot put right, as between themselves, a wrong amount- or locus-based venue chosen: 'i casi di esecuzione forzata, di opposizione alla stessa, di procedimenti cautelari e possessori, di procedimenti in camera di consiglio...'

Example sentence(s):
  • When a plaintiff fails to plead facts establishing jurisdiction, but the petition does not affirmatively demonstrate incurable defects in jurisdiction, the issue is one of pleading sufficiency. In that instance,
  • e per ogni altro caso in cui l'inderogabilità sia disposta espressamente dalla legge [25, 38, 413, 661, 747, 825]

    Reference: http://www.brocardi.it/codice-di-procedura-civile/libro-prim...
Adrian MM. (X)
Local time: 02:37
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 276
Grading comment
I have to admit I am rather at a loss to understand the meaning and so is the customer... But if it's not a typo, this must be the meaning. Thanks

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Shabelula: it makes sense, anche se avrei detto "difetti di giurisdizione del tribunale adito" o roba del genere
1 day 3 hrs
  -> Grazie! You are spot-on and in Italian operatic tune with my thinking.
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