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treintaidosavos de final

English translation: Round of 64

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Spanish term or phrase:treintaidosavos de final
English translation:Round of 64
Entered by: EirTranslations

19:19 Mar 5, 2012
Spanish to English translations [PRO]
Sports / Fitness / Recreation / Gambling
Spanish term or phrase: treintaidosavos de final
For football, I'm a bit stuck with this one, final round comes to mind as an option but not sure if its the same...pls see below thanks)

 Campeonato de Australia de Liga de Primera división (A-League).
 Copa de SM el Rey (A partir de treintaidosavos de final).
EirTranslations
Ireland
Local time: 19:58
Round of 64
Explanation:
Final
Semi-final = round of 4
Quarter = round of 8
"Octavos" = round of 16
"Dieciseisavos" = round of 32
"Treintadosavos" = round of 64

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-03-05 22:32:59 GMT)
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Just an additional comment on this. It is kind of Euro-English, in the sense that in the UK we use "1st round, 2nd round, etc.", but I think it's the best solution here, as it won't be affected if additional rounds are added in future years. Also, how do we decide when the first-round proper begins and which rounds are preliminary rounds.

Round of X is increasingly common in English, probably thanks largely to Eurosport who regularly use it.
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Timothy Barton
Local time: 20:58
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thanks
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Summary of answers provided
5 +5Round of 64
Timothy Barton
5 +4third (or fourth or fifth etc.) round
Martyn Greenan
5Round of 64
Carol Geraldine Chua Yu
4 +1The last 64
Edward Tully
Summary of reference entries provided
Copa del Rey: treintaidosavos
Charles Davis

  

Answers


4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
Round of 64


Explanation:
It's the round of 64 in tournaments. For example, "cuartos de final" would be quarterfinals (with 8 players playing), then this round still has 64 players playing.


    Reference: http://bleacherreport.com/2010-ncaa-mens-round-of-64
Carol Geraldine Chua Yu
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:58
Native speaker of: Native in TagalogTagalog, Native in EnglishEnglish
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53 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
The last 64


Explanation:
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Edward Tully
Local time: 20:58
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 110

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Edward Potter: Only in some contexts, but yes. "Round of 64" is more common in my experience.
21 hrs
  -> Many thanks Edward! ;-)
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3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +5
Round of 64


Explanation:
Final
Semi-final = round of 4
Quarter = round of 8
"Octavos" = round of 16
"Dieciseisavos" = round of 32
"Treintadosavos" = round of 64

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Note added at 3 hrs (2012-03-05 22:32:59 GMT)
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Just an additional comment on this. It is kind of Euro-English, in the sense that in the UK we use "1st round, 2nd round, etc.", but I think it's the best solution here, as it won't be affected if additional rounds are added in future years. Also, how do we decide when the first-round proper begins and which rounds are preliminary rounds.

Round of X is increasingly common in English, probably thanks largely to Eurosport who regularly use it.

Timothy Barton
Local time: 20:58
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 49
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thanks

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Simon Bruni
4 mins
agree  Monica Colangelo
1 hr
agree  Emma Goldsmith
2 hrs
agree  Neil Ashby
13 hrs
agree  Edward Potter: This is the way I would translate it. You hear this phrasing a lot in sports. Once you get more teams than the quarter finals it usually becomes, "the round of X".
22 hrs
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25 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
third (or fourth or fifth etc.) round


Explanation:
While I do not deny that Round of X exists, it is pretty rare to see it put this way in football-related texts (with Round of 16 being the exception, although even then, it is certainly not used across the board). You are much more likely to see third/fourth/fifth/sixth round etc., until you get to quarter-finals and so on. The number of the round depends on how many teams are involved in the competition (in this case, the Spanish Cup) to start with. For example, the treintaidosavos de final (i.e. last 64 teams) of the FA Cup in England is referred to as the "third round".

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Note added at 20 hrs (2012-03-06 15:25:52 GMT)
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As an aside, am continually amazed by the way certain people nonchalently nominate stuff for 'non-pro' status - as Charles' research has clearly shown, this is about as straightforward as Calculus!


    Reference: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cu...
Martyn Greenan
United States
Local time: 13:58
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 8

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Helena Chavarria
21 mins
  -> Thanks, Helena.
agree  David Ronder: Absolutely
1 hr
  -> Thanks, David.
neutral  Timothy Barton: I agree in principle, but the problem is how do you decide which is the 1st round proper if they don't use the same terminology? Also, given her context, she needs to make sure the translation still works if an additional round is added for future years.
2 hrs
  -> Take your first point, Timothy. In terms of the translation still working in future years, I'm not sure if that's so crucial - there have been many such changes made to the English, Scottish and French Cups over the years, for example.
agree  Charles Davis: It's a very moot point, but having looked into it I think it would be best to call it the Second Round. See my reference (if you have the patience).
18 hrs
  -> Cheers, Charles.
agree  Edward Potter: Yep. This is one of the ways it is often expressed.
21 hrs
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Reference comments


18 hrs peer agreement (net): +2
Reference: Copa del Rey: treintaidosavos

Reference information:
I must be mad, I know, but I've just spent a little while trying to get my head round how the Copa del Rey is now organised, and it's bizarre.

The system has changed. If you go back to 2004/2005, for example, it was fairly straightforward. There were seven rounds:
1. Fase previa: 34 minor teams, 17 matches.
2. Treintaidosavos: 64 team, 32 matches: the 17 winners from the fase previa plus all 20 Primera clubs and a further 27 from lower divisions.
3. Dieciseisavos: 32 teams (winners of previous round), 16 matches.
4. Octavos: 16 teams, 8 matches (two legs)
5. Cuartos: 8 teams, 4 matches (two legs)
6. Semifinales: 4 teams, 2 matches (two legs)
7. Final

However, when you look at the current season (2011/2012), with the aid of As and Marca, it's much more complicated. There are now eight rounds (As uses the word "eliminatoria" and Marca uses "ronda"):

1. Primera Ronda/Eliminatoria: 36 teams, of which 1 was from Tercera (Cerceda), 7 from Segunda B and the other 28 "non-league"; 18 matches.
2. Segunda Ronda/Eliminatoria: 46 teams, the 18 winners from the Primera Ronda plus the whole of Segunda ("Liga Adelante") (except Barcelona B and Villarreal B: "filiales" don't play in the cup), and a further 8 from Segunda B and non-league (don't ask me why); 23 matches.
3. Tercera Ronda/Eliminatoria: 22 teams, the winners of the Segunda Ronda, except Oviedo, who got a bye to the next round; 11 matches.
4. Dieciseisavos: 32 teams, the 11 winners from the Tercera Ronda, plus Oviedo (who won in the Segunda Ronda and got a bye in the Tercera), plus all 20 Primera clubs.
5. Octavos
6. Cuartos
7. Semifinales
8. Final.

So there is no longer, literally, a "round of 64" as there was previously in the Second Round. Because the Primera clubs don't enter the competition until the fourth round, which is known everywhere as "Dieciseisavos", there are only 22 clubs in the round before this (Tercera), and 46 in the one before that (Segunda).

So what does "Treintaidosavos" mean now? Logically, you would have thought, it should be the round before Dieciseisavos. Well, yes and no.

In match reports, strange though it may seem, the word is applied both to the Second Round and the Third Round. You get the impression that having been lumbered with this arcane system (doubtless through pressure from the big clubs who don't want to have to play the early rounds), people are not quite sure what it means any more.

Here, for example, "treintaidosavos" refers to the Segunda Ronda/Eliminatoria:
http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/deportivo-despega-gran-rec...
http://www.marca.com/2011/09/07/futbol/copa_rey/1315426051.h...
http://msn.mediotiempo.com/futbol/internacional/noticias/201...

And here it refers to the Tercera:
http://www.que.es/deportes/201110121159-celta-enfrenta-real-...
http://picotea.com/es/canales/44/el-oviedo-queda-exento-en-t...
http://realvalladolid.elnortedecastilla.es/noticias/2011-10-...

So what do you call it? If you say "round of 64", which is a bit of misnomer now that no round has 64 clubs, it's not clear which round you're referring to. I think that since both As and Marca use "treintiadosavos" to refer to the Segunda Ronda, it would probably be best to say "from the Second Round (onwards)"; after all, this includes the Third Round as well. Before they changed the system "treintaidosavos" was unambiguously the Second Round.

Charles Davis
Spain
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 115

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Martyn Greenan: Excellent research, Charles!
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Martyn! I must admit it was sheer obstinacy; you look at it and think: "what the hell's going on here?" But I agree completely that no way is this non-Pro.
agree  Emma Goldsmith: Great research, Charles. [Off topic:] So filiales don't play in the Cup? I didn't know that, although I knew they can't promote to 1st division. Seems v. tough to me.
8 hrs
  -> Well yes, it does. But there are a number strange things going on here. It has a classic "designed-by-committee" look about it, probably the result of a lot of backroom argument. Thanks, Emma :)
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