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caduc

English translation: moot, obsolete

GLOSSARY ENTRY (DERIVED FROM QUESTION BELOW)
Romanian term or phrase:caduc
English translation:moot, obsolete
Entered by: Liviu-Lee Roth

23:56 Oct 20, 2008
Romanian to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law (general)
Romanian term or phrase: caduc
o lege a devenit caduca
Liviu-Lee Roth
United States
Local time: 13:28
obsolete
Explanation:
o sugestie
Selected response from:

valhalla55
Grading comment
multumesc! dpv.juridic ati fost cel mai aproape de sens
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +5null and void
Adela Porumbel
4 +3lapse
Simon Charass
5annulled
Tradeuro Language Services
3 +1defunct
Cristina Bolohan
3obsolete
valhalla55
3repeal
Rose Marie Matei (X)
Summary of reference entries provided
se gaseste in dictionar sau in glosare
Anca Nitu

Discussion entries: 6





  

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24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
obsolete


Explanation:
o sugestie

valhalla55
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
PRO pts in category: 12
Grading comment
multumesc! dpv.juridic ati fost cel mai aproape de sens
Notes to answerer
Asker: multumesc, nu e rau , dar exista un termen juridic consacrat

Asker: in US, scuze.

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50 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
null and void


Explanation:
(Despre acte cu valoare juridică) Care nu (mai) are putere legală. - Din fr. caduc , lat. caducus.
http://www.babylon.com/definition/CADUC/Other

Mr. Arafat described the document using the French word ''caduc,'' which means ''obsolete'' or ''null and void.'' [...]
According to the Academie Francaise, the word ''caduc'' entered the language in the 14th century and was first used in legal documents in 1690.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE3DA103BF...

Dicţionarul meu spune următoarele:
(Jur.) Null and void; to void, to render or make null and void; (Asigurări) to lapse, lapsing.
(Jur.) nullity; (Asig.) lapsing
Le Robert & Collins du management, Commercial - financier - Economique - juridique: Dictionnaire français-anglais, anglais-français

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Temă de discuţie vreţi să spuneţi? Există un forum al site-ului unde un astfel de fir ar fi binevenit, mai există unul pe termeni din medicină de ex. Altfel, eu una nu am la dispoziţie decât dicţionarele (consacrate şi ele).

Adela Porumbel
Romania
Local time: 20:28
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
PRO pts in category: 11
Notes to answerer
Asker: multumesc! am dat aceasta tema pt. ca nu exista in dictionarele curente, si solicita cunostinte juridice; este un singur cuvant consacrat...

Asker: si raspunsul tau e f. bun, dar nu cel consacrat

Asker: mai sus, in Discussion am postat diferenta juridica intre nul si caduc


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  RODICA CIOBANU
6 hrs
  -> Mulţumesc
agree  Andrei Albu: Apare şi în GDT, dar şi în alte dicţionare curente...
9 hrs
  -> Mulţumesc frumos
agree  Anca Nitu: exista in dictionare curente am afisat mai jos referinte :) nu am cautat in glosarele Proz dar precis trebuie sa fie ceva :) oricum aceasta e solutia corecta :)
17 hrs
  -> Multumesc pentru sustinere :)
agree  wordbridge
17 hrs
  -> Multumesc
agree  Rose Marie Matei (X)
1 day 3 hrs
  -> Multumesc
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
lapse


Explanation:
lapse - intransitive verb - to go out of existence : to cease

cease - transitive verb- 1: to come to an end; 2: obsolete : to become extinct
[Merriam Webster]

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Law - the termination or forfeiture of a right or privilege through disuse, through failure of some contingency, or through failure to meet stated obligations within a stated time.

Civil rights groups, such as the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), commended House leaders for letting the surveillance law lapse.

House likely to let surveillance law lapse - CNN.com

Simon Charass
Canada
Local time: 13:28
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 28

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Adela Porumbel: Legal also? I knew the term in insurance (expire)/ Mulţumesc :)
9 mins
  -> Multumesc Adde. Da, este si termen legal, asa cum arata exemplele pe care le-am adaugat.
agree  RODICA CIOBANU
5 hrs
  -> Multumesc.
neutral  Andrei Albu: GDT îl dă drept cvasi-sinonim pentru "null and void"; dar, în acest caz, este la participiul trecut "lapsed"
8 hrs
  -> Multumesc.
agree  Anca Nitu: could be depending on the context ,judging by the FR caducité , it might be if it pertains to a document ( licence, will) or regarding a lapsedright or privilege http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O999-lapse.html , it has a more limited scope
16 hrs
  -> Merci.
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6 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5
annulled


Explanation:
caduc = annulled, lapsed, null and void, of no effect, void.
Dict. juridic en-ro, ro-en, Ed. C.H. Beck, Bucharest 2008

Tradeuro Language Services
Romania
Local time: 20:28
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: in Discussion am postat diferenta juridica intre nul si caduc

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7 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
defunct


Explanation:
defunct
no longer in effect or use; not operating or functioning: a defunct law; a defunct organization.
http://dictionary.reference.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=defunct

alte variante: lapsed, outdated, out-of-date

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invalid Law Definition
adj
Legally ineffective; unfounded.
www.yourdictionary.com/invalid


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une loi caduque est une loi qui est périmée, ancienne, hors contexte, qui n'est plus applicable.
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduc

lege caduca-fara obiect, lipsita de trainicie, expirata

antiquated law
www.yourdictionary.com/antiquated

Cristina Bolohan
Romania
Local time: 20:28
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
Notes to answerer
Asker: multumesc! cititi va rog, notele din discussion

Asker: din linkul dvs:Juridique : une loi caduque est une loi qui est périmée, ancienne, hors contexte, qui n'est plus applicable. Nu se face nici o mentiune de nulitate (daca inteleg bine FR...)

Asker: Imi cer scuze, Cristina, postarea nu iti este adresata tie, am gresit, scuze.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  airineiv (X)
4 hrs
  -> Multumesc!
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Reference comments


17 hrs
Reference: se gaseste in dictionar sau in glosare

Reference information:
Domaine(s) : - droit


français


caduc adj.
Équivalent(s) English null and void

caduc
decaying
falling
(fragil) = frail
______
jur. null
jur. void
______
(d. un testament) = lapsed
pomi cu frunza caducă = deciduous trees
http://www.babylon.com/definition/caduc/
http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=439536




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le-am citit : "moot " e gresit, nu inseamna 'caduc"
Moot este o expresie care se utilizeaza pentru a descrie
1. ceva pur abstract fara valoare reala concreta
( si unde mai pui ca aceasta semnificatie o are numai in USA)
2. ceva evident care deja a fost demonstrat
3. un subiect incert ( a moot point)

referinte :
1
In United States law, a matter is moot if further legal proceedings with regard to it can have no effect, or events have placed it beyond the reach of the law. Thereby the matter has been deprived of practical significance or rendered purely academic. This is different from the ordinary British meaning of "moot," which means "to raise an issue." The shift in usage was first observed in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mootness
2
a. Law Without legal significance, through having been previously decided or settled.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Mootness

3
moot

• adjective subject to debate or uncertainty: a moot point.
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/moot?view=uk


definitia caducitatii

Caducitate
Cauza de ineficacitate a actului juridic civil, constand in lipsirea actului juridic de orice efecte, datorita intervenirii unor cauze ulterioare incheierii sale si independent de vointa autorului actului.

http://www.rubinian.com/dictionar_detalii.php?id=2929

QED


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Note added at 23 hrs (2008-10-21 23:38:31 GMT)
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qui n'est plus applicable = care nu mai are valabilitate
depinde foarte mult de context si la ce anume se refera

Anca Nitu
Native speaker of: Native in RomanianRomanian
PRO pts in category: 413
Note to reference poster
Asker: multumesc, cititi va rog, notele din Discussion

Asker: Juridique : une loi caduque est une loi qui est périmée, ancienne, hors contexte, qui n'est plus applicable. nu scrie nicaieri ca este nula (daca am inteles bine in FR)

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