пассионарность

English translation: passionarity

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Russian term or phrase:	пассионарность
English translation:	passionarity
Entered by:	Ludwig Chekhovtsov

18:09 Aug 3, 2002

Russian to English translations [PRO]
Art/Literary

Russian term or phrase: пассионарность

можно говорить о ярко выраженной художественной составляющей шведской "пассионарности", нашедшей выражение в русской культуре периода "серебрянного века".

John Sowerby KudoZ activity Questions: 301 (none open) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 43 United Kingdom
Local time: 23:14

passionarity

Explanation:
Gumilevica: Дискуссии 8 (2000 г.) Discussions
Если бы существовали объективные методы измерения пассионарности ...
http://gumilevica.kulichki.net/discussions/disc0008.html

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Passionarity Theory - MavicaNET
Thйorie du choc des civilisations (Passionarity) - MavicaNET
http://test.imho.ru/adv/sg/ScreenGlide/ramram/ramram1.htm

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Russian Interdisciplinary Temporology Seminar
\"Substantional aspects of passionarity and ethnogenesis according to L.N.Gumiliov\".
http://www.chronos.msu.ru/seminar/e91.html

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Passionarity - (N.Gumilyov\'s term produced from Latin \"passio\", passion) - is an invincible aspiration for purposeful activity which is. ...
www.chronos.msu.ru/EREPORTS/levich_retros_overview/ levich_retros_overview.htm

... The main idea is to admit that ethnic subsystems interact by
means of some sort of energy, which Gumilev called passionarity. ...
www.univer.omsk.su/MEP/ethnos.ps

Selected response from:

Ludwig Chekhovtsov
Local time: 18:14

Grading comment

Thank you very much. What I had not put in was the earlier part of the sentence which was: "Using Professor Gumilyov's terminology, (we can talk, etc.).
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +7

passionarity

Ludwig Chekhovtsov

5 +2

Not for grading - in support of Ludwig's answer....

Libero_Lang_Lab

5 +2

Swedisn-type "passionarity" or 'passionarity' a la Swedish

Vladimir Dubisskiy

The quality of passion

Whipple

I agree with Whipple

Milana_R

passion

Oleg Pashuk (X)

4 -1

passion and fascination

jerryk (X)

3 -1

energetic activity/active work

Olga Demiryurek

3 -1

as follows

Oleg Pashuk (X)

Discussion entries: 1

Answers

7 mins confidence:

passion

Explanation:
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sense of passion

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Svedish sense of passion

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Meant - SWedish, sorry...

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Look at all that \" ярко выраженной художественной составляющей \"... It must be \"sense of passion/strong expression\"

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Maybe, Russian N.Gumilyov\'s created this word but it is not common anywhere else!

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the last note reffers to term \"passionarity\" not to \"passion.\"

Oleg Pashuk (X)
PRO pts in pair: 619

11 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +7

passionarity

Ludwig Chekhovtsov
Local time: 18:14
Native speaker of:

Russian,

Ukrainian
PRO pts in pair: 217

Grading comment

Thank you very much. What I had not put in was the earlier part of the sentence which was: "Using Professor Gumilyov's terminology, (we can talk, etc.).

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

neutral

Oleg Pashuk (X): I don't think it about stages of passion

5 mins

-> Насколько я понимаю, это специальный термин и у него есть конкретный "родитель" - Л.Н. Гумилев.

agree

Libero_Lang_Lab: I think it is. But I think, depending on the target audience, it may need a translator's footnote to explain the term as it is somewhat obscure.

10 mins

-> Thank you!

agree

Irene N

59 mins

-> Спасибо!

agree

Olga Demiryurek: Вы совершенно правы.Мои ссылки ниже в поддержку Вашей версии

1 hr

-> Большое спасибо !

agree

Zoya ayoz (X)

1 hr

-> Thank you!

agree

jerryk (X): I was unaware of this particular branch of philosophy. Very interesting.

1 hr

-> Thank you very much !

agree

Irene Chernenko: Whether this is meant for a specialist reader or just someone browsing through a catalogue, a term is a term.

2 hrs

-> Thank you!

agree

Yelena.

2 hrs

-> Thank you!

37 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

passion and fascination

Explanation:
I think the meaning is more complex and intense than simple "passion". This phrase is commonly used in similar contexts.

tango shawn cathy
... With their contacts throughout the world over, they share their passion and fascination
for the tango and its music. They make an extraordinary couple. ...
http://www.gotan.ch/2002/people/shawnycathy/

Institute for Cultural Exchange - Consulting, cultural sponsoring ...
... 92. The exhibition attempts to show the public something of the passion
and fascination which Andreas Feininger felt for America. ...
http://www.intercult.org/2-ex-feininger2-e.htm

Nature
... There are just a few places in the world where the eternal struggle of natural
elements has shaped the face of the earth with such passion and fascination. ...
http://www.visit-montenegro.com/english/priroda/priroda.htm

The Wisdom of Humankind
... A new translation of Tolstoy's The Wisdom of Humankind, the first in more than 70
years, makes evident the Russian writer's deep passion and fascination with ...
http://www.conexuspress.com/catalog/woh_p1.htm

jerryk (X)
PRO pts in pair: 41

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

energetic activity/active work

Explanation:
Религиозность и экологическая убежденность в части своих проявлений выступают как "дружественные" мировоззренческие позиции, в ряде случаев полностью пересекающиеся. Гораздо сложнее и менее однозначны взаимоотношения таких социальных феноменов, как экологическая и деятельная активность населения. Способность к социальным поступкам конкретного человека или группы населения определяется их энергетическим потенциалом, который Л.Н.Гумилев назвал пассионарностью. Сам автор этого термина определял его как "наличие у некоторых индивидов необоримого внутреннего стремления к целенаправленной деятельности, всегда связанной с изменением окружения, общественного или природного, причем достижение намеченной цели, часто иллюзорной или губительной для самого субъекта, представляется ему ценнее даже собственной жизни".

Для явлений близкого круга в западной социологии более употребительны понятия девиации - поведения, нарушающего нормы, принятые в обществе (Н. Смелзер, 1994; R.Merton, 1957). Девиация с трудом поддается определению, что связано с многообразием как ее проявлений, так и социальных ожиданий и норм, которые часто представляются спорными. В обществе святых, напоминающем образцовый монастырь, "проступки, которые кажутся незначительными рядовому мирянину, могут произвести среди них такой скандал, какой обычно вызывает преступление среди ординарных людей" (Э.Дюркгейм, 1991 с.38). Важно, что как разновидность девиации рассматривают нарушение норм не только между людьми, но и в отношении к природе. Это демонстрирует наличие общих черт между понятиями пассионарности, активности и девиации, разделение которых на современном уровне социологии затруднено.

Active work of passionaries causes the growth of new system. This structure is active, it tries to integrate new territories, markets, fields of activity. Stereotype of all system behaviour "be like everybody, do routinely" is changed by Duty imperative: "You must be exactly alike for the Cause, for our Community". Common passionarity of system members grows.

Olga Demiryurek
Türkiye
Local time: 01:14
Native speaker of: Russian
PRO pts in pair: 274

1 hr confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

Not for grading - in support of Ludwig's answer....

Explanation:
There is no escaping the basic fact that the term "passionarity", however obscure, does exist. It is clearly a calque which has been formed from the Russian in fact, and denotes the particular school of sociological / anthropological thought developed Gumilev et al in Russia.
The solution is to show it in inverted commas or to italicize it and provide an explanatory footnote.

See the references below if you need further convincing:
http://utenti.lycos.it/ArchivEurasia/michurin_centreurasia.h...

For the unbiased scholar familiar with the positions of L.N.Gumilev’s theory of ethnogenesis, the dissolving of the Soviet Union does not represent at all a fatal and unrecoverable event: simply the borders of the Russian superethnos, at its exit from a critical phase, were sharply narrowed. At the fall of passionarity [passionarnost'], inevitable in a crisis, renouncing to the possessions of “alien” lands (in relation to the ethno-landscape), settled by peoples with a completely different tradition and mentality – is an indisputable blessing. The dissolving of the USSR brought a different evil – the borders of the present Russian Federation are already an area of separation, inscribed within the natural landscape of the russian ethnos, and the ethnoses close to it. At the present stage of its historical existence, for Russia it is equally irrational either to incorporate lands settled by alien or hostile foreigners (if it is not dictated by rigid strategic necessity, as it is the case with Chechnya), or to be a divided superethnos.

http://www.chronos.msu.ru/EREPORTS/levich_retros_overview/le...

Passionarity

(L.N.Gumilyov's term produced from Latin "passio", passion)

is an invincible aspiration for purposeful activity which is

always connected with environment change, either social or

natural. The energy of passionarity is that of the biospheric

living substance, the one described by V.I.Vernadski

(1863-1945) as biochemical energy. Passionarity is the

ability of an organism to absorb the environmental energy and

to produce it in the form of external work. Passionarity is

indicated by more active higher nervous processes compared

with those common for the species. In certain favourable

conditions the individuals endowed with passionarity commit

(and cannot help committing) deeds which, being summed, break

the inertia of tradition and initiate a new ethnos.

Passionarity is not an individual property, it is a group

one, since many passionaries are needed to manifest

themselves historically.

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...continued from note to Irene below:... I fully predict that the term dilettantiarity (to be shown in italics) will, in fifty years time, cause Russian philosophers and social anthropologists no end of sleepless nights as they struggle to define its exact meaning. :)

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Note to Milana: Milana, this touches on a fundamental question of language and how we treat it. Is it static and prescriptive or constantly evolving to reflect the development of ideas and the changes in the real world around us? The Silver Age in Russia generated new ideas in philosophy & poetics and the coining of the term passionarnost (and the use of the English calque passionarity) however obscure reflects one such. Of course it needs to be explained. The fact that it was coined means that no word existed previously to capture properly the meaning it sought to convey.

Libero_Lang_Lab
United Kingdom
Local time: 23:14
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in pair: 1214

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

as follows

Explanation:
To danski: OK, then, an explanatory note is due with this term

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C\'mon folks! This is in Art/literary category!!!!!!

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It is NOT in Philosophy section... I need a drink...

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And Dan - I have a few terms on my own for you... And they are not new...

Oleg Pashuk (X)
PRO pts in pair: 619

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

Swedisn-type "passionarity" or 'passionarity' a la Swedish

Explanation:
it should definitely be 'passionarity' not passion; it goes in "", so the Gumilev's term is taken with the 'cool', 'northern' Swedish character.

and definitely 'серебряНый' (with one n)...

Vladimir Dubisskiy
United States
Local time: 17:14
Native speaker of:

Russian,

Ukrainian
PRO pts in pair: 1408

6 hrs confidence:

The quality of passion

Explanation:
Passionarity? You have to be kidding. This isnt a word. To translate the russian into english this would need to be paraphrased. I might know what you meant when you used 'passionarity' but it would still seem odd to hear such a word used. Unless it was spoken by Archie Bunker.

Whipple
Native speaker of:

English

11 hrs confidence:

I agree with Whipple

Explanation:
As a post-grading note:

just because someone before us translated it as "passionarity" in some Russian! websites, doesn't mean it is a correct term

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to Dan:

if the phrase was indeed coined, it would have been found in some other references, not just website articles, translated by some Russian translators who didn\'t know how to explain the term, and just decided to transliterate it.

But what do I know from dilettantiarity ...

Milana_R
Local time: 15:14
Native speaker of:

English,

Russian
PRO pts in pair: 43

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