Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
Jamaican (English Patois)
Spanish translation:
jamaicano
Added to glossary by
Michael Powers (PhD)
Nov 21, 2007 19:38
16 yrs ago
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English term
Argentina
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Jamaican
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language
This is a list of languages. I have problems with the following:
Creole (francés criollo?)
Malay (malayo?)
Malaysian (malasio?)
Jamaican (is it the Jamaican English or a dialect?)
Please, only answer if this is your area of expertise.
Thanks in advance!
Creole (francés criollo?)
Malay (malayo?)
Malaysian (malasio?)
Jamaican (is it the Jamaican English or a dialect?)
Please, only answer if this is your area of expertise.
Thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
(Spanish)
| 4 +5 | jamaicano |
Michael Powers (PhD)
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| 4 +1 | el ingles (tilde en la e) que se habla en Jamaica |
Cesar Serrano
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| 3 | dialecto jamaicano |
Rosina Peixoto
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Nov 26, 2007 19:22: Michael Powers (PhD) Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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Michael Powers (PhD)
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Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
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jamaicano
Mike :)
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Es un idioma. Según la linguistica, cuando no se entiende un grupo de personas con otro grupo de personas a causa de diferencias linguisticas, son dos idiomas diferentes.
En el Perú, hay por lo menos tres idiomas de quechua - no se etienden.
Mi idioma nativo es inglés, pero no entiendo a los jaimacanos cuando hablar lo que llamamos en ingés "Jamaican patois"
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Ver a extranjeros hablar jamaicano es chocante al principio y hace gracia...pero segun avanza el Clash.....deteriora. "...One love Sailing In The OCEAN. ...
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Estaba pensando yo, que tendremos que aprender a hablar Jamaicano. O tu crees que con un cigarrito mas que menos hablaremos todos los idiomas? ...
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TODOS A HABLAR JAMAICANO. Respuesta enviada el 20 de Mayo de 2006 a las 19:51h. Enviado por: Babalú. Lleva 484 mensajes. una pequeña pausa al gran hilo que ...
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TODOS A HABLAR JAMAICANO MENSAJE: JAMAICA. Respuesta enviada el 20 de Mayo de 2006 a las 19:51h. Enviado por: Babalú. Lleva 484 mensajes ...
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When a Jamaican speaks Jamaican patois, a native English speaker will not understand what he is saying. That makes it a different language according to the rules of linguistics (my Ph.D. is in linguistics).
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The name, Jamaican patois, seems to indicate it is a dialect. But, from a purely linguistic perspective, Jamaican patois IS a language. The RAE does not list a lot of phenomena that are relevant to linguistics. It is way behind.
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Note added at 20 mins (2007-11-21 19:59:18 GMT)
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As I am sure you know Mandarin and Cantonese have the same written language - but since most Chinese that speak Mandarin do not speak Cantonese or vice versa, they must converse with a lingua franca, such as English. This is because they are two different languages.
I have copied a little bit of the differences between Jamaican Patois and regular English for you to look at:
A DOOR adoor.au outdoors. (5)
AGONY agony.au the sensations felt during sex (6)
AN an.au than (5)
ARMAGEDDON armagedon.au the biblical final battle between the forces of good and evil (1)
BABYLON babylon.au 1. the corrupt establishment, the "system, Church and State"
2. the police, a policeman (1)
BAD good, great (2)
BADNESS badness.au hooligan behavior, violence for its own sake (1)
BAFAN bafan.au clumsy; awkward (5)
BAFANG bafang.au a child who did not learn to walk the 1st 2-7 years. (5)
BAG-O-WIRE bagawire.au a betrayer (1)
BAGGY baggy.au underpants for a woman or child. (5)
BAKRA bakra.au white slavemaster, or member of the ruling class in colonial days. Popular etymology: "back raw" (which he bestowed with a whip.) (5)
BALD-HEAD baldhead.au a straight person; one without dreadlocks; one who works for babylon (2)
BAMBU bamboo.au rolling paper (1)
BAMMY bammy.au a pancake made out of cassava, after it has been grated and squeezed to remove the bitter juice. (5)
BANDULU bandit, criminal, one living by guile (1) bandit, criminal, one living by guile (1)
BANGARANG hubbub, uproar, disorder, disturbance. (5)
BANKRA a big basket, including the type which hangs over the
sides of a donkey. (5)
BANS from bands; a whole lot, a great deal, nuff, whole heap.(5)
BAT butterfly or moth. English bat, the flying rodent, is a rat-bat. (5)
BATTY bottom; backside; anus. (5)
BATTYBWOY a gay person (6)
BEAST a policeman (1)
BEX vex (verb), or vexed (adjective). (5)
BISSY cola nut. (5)
BLY chance, "must get a bly", "must get a chance". (4)
BOBO fool. (5)
BRAA from BREDDA; brother. (5)
BRAATA a little extra; like the 13th cookie in a baker's dozen;
or an extra helping of food. In musical shows it hascome to be the encore. (5)
BREDREN one's fellow male Rastas (1)
BRINDLE to be angry (6)
BRINKS title given to a man who is supplying a woman with money (6)
BUBU fool. (5)
BUCKY home-made gun (2)
BUFU-BUFU fat, swollen, blubbery; too big; clumsy or lumbering.(5)
BUGUYAGA a sloppy, dirty person, like a bum or tramp. (5)
BULL BUCKA a bully (1)
BULLA a comon sugar and flour cookie or small round cake, sold everywhere in Jamaica. (5)
BUMBA CLOT,
(TO GET) BUN to have one's spouse or girl/boy-friend cheat on oneself, to be cheated out of something (6)
RAS CLOT,
BLOOD CLOT curse words (1)
BUMBO bottom; backside. A common curse word, especially in combination with CLOT (cloth), a reference to the days before toilet paper. (5)
BUNKS to knock or bump against, from "to bounce",
BUNKS MI RES catch my rest, take a nap. (5)
(THE) CAT a woman's genitals (6)
CARD to fool someone (6)
CEASE & SEKKLE! stop everything and relax! (6)
CERACE a ubiquitous vine used for boiling medicinal tea and for bathing. It is proverbial for its bitterness.(5)
CHA! or CHO! a disdainful expletive (1) pshaw! (2) very common, mild explanation expressing impatience, vexation or disappointment. (5)
CHAKA-CHAKA messy, disorderly, untidy. (5)
CHALICE or CHILLUM a pipe for smoking herb, usually made from coconut shell and tubing, used ritually by Rastas (1)
CHEAP just as cheap, just as well. (5)
CHIMMY chamber pot. (5)
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Here is the source:
Talk Jamaican - Patois Dictionary
It is never used It is never used for Chinese Jamaicans. Usually in the form coolie-man or coolie-oman. It is not considered polite today anymore than the ...
members.tripod.com/~Livi_d/language/patois_dictionary.htm - 65k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
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You're certainly welcome, Julia.
Mike :)
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Es un idioma. Según la linguistica, cuando no se entiende un grupo de personas con otro grupo de personas a causa de diferencias linguisticas, son dos idiomas diferentes.
En el Perú, hay por lo menos tres idiomas de quechua - no se etienden.
Mi idioma nativo es inglés, pero no entiendo a los jaimacanos cuando hablar lo que llamamos en ingés "Jamaican patois"
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Note added at 8 mins (2007-11-21 19:46:40 GMT)
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No me interesa hablar Jamaicano, ni más ni menos porque no lo necesito en mi ... No te interesa hablar jamaicano ni entenderlo? y te gusta el reggae y el ...
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Reggae News
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Ver a extranjeros hablar jamaicano es chocante al principio y hace gracia...pero segun avanza el Clash.....deteriora. "...One love Sailing In The OCEAN. ...
reggae-news.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=Foro&file=viewtopic&topic=478&forum=26&8 - 51k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Blogs Ya.com: ¡PERDONA BONITA PERO grelinno ME QUERIA A MI !
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Estaba pensando yo, que tendremos que aprender a hablar Jamaicano. O tu crees que con un cigarrito mas que menos hablaremos todos los idiomas? ...
blogs.ya.com/perdonabonita/c_74.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Foros Muzikalia - JAMAICA
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TODOS A HABLAR JAMAICANO. Respuesta enviada el 20 de Mayo de 2006 a las 19:51h. Enviado por: Babalú. Lleva 484 mensajes. una pequeña pausa al gran hilo que ...
www.muzikalia.com/foro_leermensajes.php?ref_foro=1&ref_mens... - 97k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
Foros Muzikalia
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TODOS A HABLAR JAMAICANO MENSAJE: JAMAICA. Respuesta enviada el 20 de Mayo de 2006 a las 19:51h. Enviado por: Babalú. Lleva 484 mensajes ...
muzikalia.com/foro_buscador3.php?buscar=&ref_foro=&ref_mensaje=&numero=89021&paginaanteri... - 250k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
When a Jamaican speaks Jamaican patois, a native English speaker will not understand what he is saying. That makes it a different language according to the rules of linguistics (my Ph.D. is in linguistics).
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Note added at 10 mins (2007-11-21 19:49:24 GMT)
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The name, Jamaican patois, seems to indicate it is a dialect. But, from a purely linguistic perspective, Jamaican patois IS a language. The RAE does not list a lot of phenomena that are relevant to linguistics. It is way behind.
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Note added at 20 mins (2007-11-21 19:59:18 GMT)
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As I am sure you know Mandarin and Cantonese have the same written language - but since most Chinese that speak Mandarin do not speak Cantonese or vice versa, they must converse with a lingua franca, such as English. This is because they are two different languages.
I have copied a little bit of the differences between Jamaican Patois and regular English for you to look at:
A DOOR adoor.au outdoors. (5)
AGONY agony.au the sensations felt during sex (6)
AN an.au than (5)
ARMAGEDDON armagedon.au the biblical final battle between the forces of good and evil (1)
BABYLON babylon.au 1. the corrupt establishment, the "system, Church and State"
2. the police, a policeman (1)
BAD good, great (2)
BADNESS badness.au hooligan behavior, violence for its own sake (1)
BAFAN bafan.au clumsy; awkward (5)
BAFANG bafang.au a child who did not learn to walk the 1st 2-7 years. (5)
BAG-O-WIRE bagawire.au a betrayer (1)
BAGGY baggy.au underpants for a woman or child. (5)
BAKRA bakra.au white slavemaster, or member of the ruling class in colonial days. Popular etymology: "back raw" (which he bestowed with a whip.) (5)
BALD-HEAD baldhead.au a straight person; one without dreadlocks; one who works for babylon (2)
BAMBU bamboo.au rolling paper (1)
BAMMY bammy.au a pancake made out of cassava, after it has been grated and squeezed to remove the bitter juice. (5)
BANDULU bandit, criminal, one living by guile (1) bandit, criminal, one living by guile (1)
BANGARANG hubbub, uproar, disorder, disturbance. (5)
BANKRA a big basket, including the type which hangs over the
sides of a donkey. (5)
BANS from bands; a whole lot, a great deal, nuff, whole heap.(5)
BAT butterfly or moth. English bat, the flying rodent, is a rat-bat. (5)
BATTY bottom; backside; anus. (5)
BATTYBWOY a gay person (6)
BEAST a policeman (1)
BEX vex (verb), or vexed (adjective). (5)
BISSY cola nut. (5)
BLY chance, "must get a bly", "must get a chance". (4)
BOBO fool. (5)
BRAA from BREDDA; brother. (5)
BRAATA a little extra; like the 13th cookie in a baker's dozen;
or an extra helping of food. In musical shows it hascome to be the encore. (5)
BREDREN one's fellow male Rastas (1)
BRINDLE to be angry (6)
BRINKS title given to a man who is supplying a woman with money (6)
BUBU fool. (5)
BUCKY home-made gun (2)
BUFU-BUFU fat, swollen, blubbery; too big; clumsy or lumbering.(5)
BUGUYAGA a sloppy, dirty person, like a bum or tramp. (5)
BULL BUCKA a bully (1)
BULLA a comon sugar and flour cookie or small round cake, sold everywhere in Jamaica. (5)
BUMBA CLOT,
(TO GET) BUN to have one's spouse or girl/boy-friend cheat on oneself, to be cheated out of something (6)
RAS CLOT,
BLOOD CLOT curse words (1)
BUMBO bottom; backside. A common curse word, especially in combination with CLOT (cloth), a reference to the days before toilet paper. (5)
BUNKS to knock or bump against, from "to bounce",
BUNKS MI RES catch my rest, take a nap. (5)
(THE) CAT a woman's genitals (6)
CARD to fool someone (6)
CEASE & SEKKLE! stop everything and relax! (6)
CERACE a ubiquitous vine used for boiling medicinal tea and for bathing. It is proverbial for its bitterness.(5)
CHA! or CHO! a disdainful expletive (1) pshaw! (2) very common, mild explanation expressing impatience, vexation or disappointment. (5)
CHAKA-CHAKA messy, disorderly, untidy. (5)
CHALICE or CHILLUM a pipe for smoking herb, usually made from coconut shell and tubing, used ritually by Rastas (1)
CHEAP just as cheap, just as well. (5)
CHIMMY chamber pot. (5)
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Note added at 22 mins (2007-11-21 20:00:50 GMT)
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Here is the source:
Talk Jamaican - Patois Dictionary
It is never used It is never used for Chinese Jamaicans. Usually in the form coolie-man or coolie-oman. It is not considered polite today anymore than the ...
members.tripod.com/~Livi_d/language/patois_dictionary.htm - 65k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this
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You're certainly welcome, Julia.
Mike :)
Note from asker:
| Thanks a lot! But is it the language (a dialect) or just an adjective? the RAE does not register it as a language... |
Peer comment(s):
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José SANZ (X)
: En realidad no es inglés ni creo que pueda considerarse dialecto. Procede de lenguas europeas y africanas.
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I agree - I have attached part of a Jamaican patois dictionaory and its website. - Mike :)
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Darío Giménez
: Mira que es raro el patois ese... :-)
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Sí, por eso no lo entiendo - y por ser medio bruto, también, imagínate, una vez una fiscal asistente me pidió que 'tradujera" el jamacano, o sea el "patois de Jamaica" y le devolví el trabajo diciéndole que no soy capaz. - Mike :)
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Hasnae Briel
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Gracias, Hasnae - Mike :)
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Edward Moreira
: lo de la definición de idioma no es tan claro para mi, un idioma se define mucho mas en términos políticos que linguísticos. Piensen en los idiomas que son mutuamente inteligibles (noruego sueco) y los "dialectos" que no lo son (arabe levantino y magrebi)
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La definición está super clara desde la perspectiva linguística: intiligencia mutua más nada. Muchas veces por razones politicas se incluye o excluye un idioma, pero eso ya es otro tipo de evaluación basada en otros factores aparte de le inteligibilidad.
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Miguel Sánchez Esteban
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Gracias, Miguel - Mike :)
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Juan Jacob
: Para agregar gasolina a la hoguera: jamás había escuchado "jamaicano", ni para el idioma ni por gentilicio. Jamaiquino, sí. Hay que ver si aplica al idioma... aunque hay que ver: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglés_jamaiquino
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De acuerco contigo, Juan. Que sea un idioma o "language" sí, lo es - pero en cuanto a la mejor manera de referirse a ese idioma, aparte de algo como "el idioma hablad por la gente de Jamaica" ... Mike :)
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Taña Dalglish
: Agree. Jamaican is not a language in itself. The official language of the island is English. Jamaicans speak English, albeit ïncorrectly, but many speak what is termed patois which parallels that of the creole of Haiti. Saludos Mike
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Taña, I agree it is not officially recognized as a language; but native English speakers from elsewhere, like me, cannot understand Jamaican patois when spoken. Hence, lingiuistically it is. Thank you for your thorough explanation. Saludos - Mike :)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks a lot! I think that it is clear that both jamaicano and jamaiquino are ok in this context.
Gracias a todos por sus aportes.
Julia"
+1
3 mins
Cesar Serrano
United States
United States
Native in English
&
Spanish
United States
AUTOMOTIVE -MEDICAL -CONTRACTS -OIL&GAS
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
, Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, English, and 9 more.
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el ingles (tilde en la e) que se habla en Jamaica
el ingles (tilde en la e) que se habla en Jamaica
Peer comment(s):
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Sandra Rodriguez
: Debo añadir que aquí en el Caribe siempre se ha llamado todo lo atinente a Jamaica, jamaiquino.
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Gracias Sandra!
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Rosina Peixoto
Uruguay
Uruguay
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Uruguay
Traductora Pública/Certified Translator
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
dialecto jamaicano
El idioma oficial es el inglés, pero en toda la isla se habla patois (dialecto jamaicano). De todos modos se pueden encontrar guías y personal de servicio ...
www.playasyresorts.com/guia-practica-de-jamaica/ - 31k - En caché - Páginas similares
El libro de poemas, Jamaica Labrish (1966) de Louise Bennett-Coverley, era el primer que se publicará en el dialecto jamaicano. Ella vive en Toronto. ...
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Este cantante alemán controla el dialecto jamaicano con sorprendente fluidez (Foto, Nabeelah Shabbir). "No lo podía creer y aún no me lo creo. ...
www.cafebabel.com/es/article.asp?T=T&Id=12853 - 30k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Sin embargo, en otras páginas se habla de "Patois Jamaiquino", la moneda oficial es el dólar jamaiquino y otros usos...como dice Sandra Rodríguez
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Acabo de buscar en el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas 1a. edición 2005, un trabajo conjunto de la RAE con la Asociación de Academias de la Lengua Española, y admite ambos para gentilicios. Dice que en el español peninsular se usa más JAMAIQUINO, mientras que en el español de América usamos JAMAICANO.
www.playasyresorts.com/guia-practica-de-jamaica/ - 31k - En caché - Páginas similares
El libro de poemas, Jamaica Labrish (1966) de Louise Bennett-Coverley, era el primer que se publicará en el dialecto jamaicano. Ella vive en Toronto. ...
es.countryreports.org/people/didyouknow.aspx?Countryname=&countryId=121 - 78k - En caché - Páginas similares
Este cantante alemán controla el dialecto jamaicano con sorprendente fluidez (Foto, Nabeelah Shabbir). "No lo podía creer y aún no me lo creo. ...
www.cafebabel.com/es/article.asp?T=T&Id=12853 - 30k - En caché - Páginas similares
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Note added at 7 hrs (2007-11-22 03:33:12 GMT)
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Sin embargo, en otras páginas se habla de "Patois Jamaiquino", la moneda oficial es el dólar jamaiquino y otros usos...como dice Sandra Rodríguez
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Note added at 8 hrs (2007-11-22 03:39:33 GMT)
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Acabo de buscar en el Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas 1a. edición 2005, un trabajo conjunto de la RAE con la Asociación de Academias de la Lengua Española, y admite ambos para gentilicios. Dice que en el español peninsular se usa más JAMAIQUINO, mientras que en el español de América usamos JAMAICANO.
Discussion
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=JM