winkle

English translation: 1) very vulnerable 2) on the brain

09:53 Sep 27, 2006
English language (monolingual) [PRO]
Art/Literary - Poetry & Literature / literature
English term or phrase: winkle
Hi,

Two uses I can't trace anywhere:

1 http://jcgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,7627...
he was the winkle on the pin if war should ever begin in earnest

2
From "Lucky Jim" by Kingsley Amis:
You've got this "rude" business on the winkle, Margaret.

Thank you,

Simon
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:39
Selected answer:1) very vulnerable 2) on the brain
Explanation:
1) small snail-like shellfish, eaten with a pin to remove the flesh (hence: to winkle out)
the soft victim removed from its protection ready to be eaten, very vulnerable

2) to have something on the brain, to be obsessed with something (not common)

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-27 11:26:51 GMT)
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But up here in Ontario, just at present, people have got
taxation on the winkle.
http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/1997-October/02...

Why do these people have humilition on the winkle?
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17537
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Neil Mann
Finland
Local time: 13:39
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SUMMARY OF ALL EXPLANATIONS PROVIDED
4 +31. The most vulnerable, most likely to suffer. 2. Vulgar use of winkle to suggest or imply penis
Jack Doughty
4can this help?
Umberto Menon
41) very vulnerable 2) on the brain
Neil Mann


  

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can this help?


Explanation:

1. any of various marine gastropods; periwinkle.
–verb (used with object)
2. Informal. to pry (something) out of a place, as winkle meat is dug out of its shell with a pin (usually fol. by out).
[Origin: 1575–85; short for periwinkle]

Umberto Menon
Italy
Local time: 12:39
Native speaker of: Native in ItalianItalian
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1. The most vulnerable, most likely to suffer. 2. Vulgar use of winkle to suggest or imply penis


Explanation:
The Time article is entitled "Winkles on Pins", so the literal explanation about a pin being used to extract the winkle from its shell is correct, and it is used here and later in the article to mean the most vulnerable.
But note that Sir P. says he felt like "Rip van Winkle", a character in a story who fell asleep before the US War of Independence and awoke many years later to find himself in the USA.

When the Kingsley Amis character says "You've got this "rude" business on the winkle, Margaret", I think he means that she finds the word amusing because it can be used in a way that implies it measn penis, as in a rude song, the chorus of which is:

"I couldn't get my winkle out, oh, isn't it a shame!
Whenever I got my winkle out, I went back in again".

(Tried to trace this song on Google, but couldn't find it).
1 http://jcgi.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,7627...
he was the winkle on the pin if war should ever begin in earnest

2
From "Lucky Jim" by Kingsley Amis:
You've got this "rude" business on the winkle, Margaret.

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Note added at 28 mins (2006-09-27 10:22:22 GMT)
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(Sorry, copied part of question into answer box and forgot to delete it.)

Jack Doughty
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:39
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Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 518

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Tony M: Yes, I don't think the expression is actually "on the winkle", but he really means "ABOUT the winkle": she's got this idea that the winkle is rude (it's a children's word for penis)
5 mins
  -> Thank you. Yes, it is or was a word used by children in that sense.

agree  niczav: Interesting response and interesting question.
2 hrs
  -> Thank you.

agree  Dave Calderhead: Ican't get my winkle out, isn't it a sin, the more I try to get it out the further it goes in, I can't get my winkle out , isn't it a doer - I can't get it out with an old bent pin, has anyone here got a skewer? is the chorus you want Jack (;-{)>
13 hrs
  -> Thanks, Dave. The version I knew was a bit different, but it's certainly the same song.
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9 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
1) very vulnerable 2) on the brain


Explanation:
1) small snail-like shellfish, eaten with a pin to remove the flesh (hence: to winkle out)
the soft victim removed from its protection ready to be eaten, very vulnerable

2) to have something on the brain, to be obsessed with something (not common)

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Note added at 1 hr (2006-09-27 11:26:51 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

But up here in Ontario, just at present, people have got
taxation on the winkle.
http://lists.webjunction.org/wjlists/web4lib/1997-October/02...

Why do these people have humilition on the winkle?
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17537



    Reference: http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=17537
Neil Mann
Finland
Local time: 13:39
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Native speaker of: English
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