May 8, 2018 12:20
6 yrs ago
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español term
permeable/aunque cerrado
español al inglés
Medicina
Medicina (general)
Cervical ectopic pregnancy
Hello,
I am finding the phrase containing these words somewhat confusing.
Context:
La clínica que presentaba la paciente de nuestro caso era un manchado escaso y puntual que se asociaba con molestias abdominales difusas y muy leves, que cesaban fácilmente con analgesia oral.
En la exploración se evidencia, efectivamente, la ausencia de sangrado activo y un orificio cervical externo ***permeable, aunque cerrado***.
Antes de los avances de la ultrasonografía, el diagnóstico era muy complicado y se hacía, en muchas ocasiones, en las piezas de histerectomías realizadas a causa de sangrados incontrolables.
In our case the patient’s clinical presentation was scant, timely spotting associated with diffuse, very mild abdominal discomfort that stopped easily with oral analgesia.
Indeed examination revealed no active bleeding and an open external cervical os, though closed.
In view of the advances in ultrasound techniques, the diagnosis was very complicated and on many occasions was made on the hysterectomy specimens taken due to uncontrollable bleeding.
Does this make sense to anyone - it seems contradictory to me.
Thank you for any help.
I am finding the phrase containing these words somewhat confusing.
Context:
La clínica que presentaba la paciente de nuestro caso era un manchado escaso y puntual que se asociaba con molestias abdominales difusas y muy leves, que cesaban fácilmente con analgesia oral.
En la exploración se evidencia, efectivamente, la ausencia de sangrado activo y un orificio cervical externo ***permeable, aunque cerrado***.
Antes de los avances de la ultrasonografía, el diagnóstico era muy complicado y se hacía, en muchas ocasiones, en las piezas de histerectomías realizadas a causa de sangrados incontrolables.
In our case the patient’s clinical presentation was scant, timely spotting associated with diffuse, very mild abdominal discomfort that stopped easily with oral analgesia.
Indeed examination revealed no active bleeding and an open external cervical os, though closed.
In view of the advances in ultrasound techniques, the diagnosis was very complicated and on many occasions was made on the hysterectomy specimens taken due to uncontrollable bleeding.
Does this make sense to anyone - it seems contradictory to me.
Thank you for any help.
Proposed translations
(inglés)
3 | slightly dilated/still closed | Cecilia Gowar |
4 | permeable yet closed | George Simon |
3 | patent though closed | Ellen Kraus |
3 | closed but penetrable | Anne Schulz |
References
permeable: Slightly dilated | Cecilia Gowar |
Proposed translations
1 día 13 minutos
Selected
slightly dilated/still closed
That is what "permeable" means in Spanish. Such dilation occurs earlier in multiparous women.
"Cuello uterino permeable
Hasta que el cuello uterino no alcanza unos dos centímetros, las matronas y ginecólogos hablan de “cuello permeable uno o dos dedos”, es decir, se ligeramente dilatado. A partir de entonces, hablarán en centímetros."
https://www.natalben.com/dilatacion-dudas-diccionario
Por regla general, en las últimas semanas del embarazo, este orificio es permeable hasta para dos dedos y en el momento del parto sus bordes están ya separados cuando el canal cervical empieza apenas á desaparecer (figs. 155 y 156). Así, pues, en las pluríparas, la abertura del orificio externo y la dilatación del cuello se verifican simultáneamente..."
http://diposit.ub.edu/dspace/bitstream/2445/13127/8/b1692774...
"The cervix of first-time moms may remain long and closed until delivery day. Moms who’ve had a baby before may be dilated for weeks leading up to their delivery day."
https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/1-centimeter-dil...
"Cuello uterino permeable
Hasta que el cuello uterino no alcanza unos dos centímetros, las matronas y ginecólogos hablan de “cuello permeable uno o dos dedos”, es decir, se ligeramente dilatado. A partir de entonces, hablarán en centímetros."
https://www.natalben.com/dilatacion-dudas-diccionario
Por regla general, en las últimas semanas del embarazo, este orificio es permeable hasta para dos dedos y en el momento del parto sus bordes están ya separados cuando el canal cervical empieza apenas á desaparecer (figs. 155 y 156). Así, pues, en las pluríparas, la abertura del orificio externo y la dilatación del cuello se verifican simultáneamente..."
http://diposit.ub.edu/dspace/bitstream/2445/13127/8/b1692774...
"The cervix of first-time moms may remain long and closed until delivery day. Moms who’ve had a baby before may be dilated for weeks leading up to their delivery day."
https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/1-centimeter-dil...
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Comment: "Thank you!"
19 minutos
permeable yet closed
Hi Liz,
When you carry out a gynecological exam and you evaluate the cervix, the term permeable refers to the fact that the external os can be made to open by either digital means or a hysterometer however, upon cessation of the external maneuver which keeps the os open it returns to its closed condition, plus there is the issue of the anatomy of the cervix and cervical canal in which the external os can be permeable but the canal and internal os closed.
The term permeable is not synonymous with open in this case however, the canal becomes permeable, naturally, during certain moments of the menstrual cycle, in order for sperm to be able to travel the canal and be able to access the uterine cavity and go beyond to the Fallopian tubes.
When you carry out a gynecological exam and you evaluate the cervix, the term permeable refers to the fact that the external os can be made to open by either digital means or a hysterometer however, upon cessation of the external maneuver which keeps the os open it returns to its closed condition, plus there is the issue of the anatomy of the cervix and cervical canal in which the external os can be permeable but the canal and internal os closed.
The term permeable is not synonymous with open in this case however, the canal becomes permeable, naturally, during certain moments of the menstrual cycle, in order for sperm to be able to travel the canal and be able to access the uterine cavity and go beyond to the Fallopian tubes.
44 minutos
patent though closed
aunque = a pesar de que
1 día 7 horas
closed but penetrable
i) Reversing the order might make more sense.
ii) "Penetrable" might catch the aspect that some active pressure is required to open/overcome the cervix. Blood may force its way through, and the palpating finger or probe can penetrate the cervical canal, but there is no visible opening.
ii) "Penetrable" might catch the aspect that some active pressure is required to open/overcome the cervix. Blood may force its way through, and the palpating finger or probe can penetrate the cervical canal, but there is no visible opening.
Reference comments
2 horas
Reference:
permeable: Slightly dilated
That is what "permeable" means in Spanish. Such dilation occurs earlier in multiparous women.
"Cuello uterino permeable
Hasta que el cuello uterino no alcanza unos dos centímetros, las matronas y ginecólogos hablan de “cuello permeable uno o dos dedos”, es decir, se ligeramente dilatado. A partir de entonces, hablarán en centímetros."
https://www.natalben.com/dilatacion-dudas-diccionario
Por regla general, en las últimas semanas del embarazo, este orificio es permeable hasta para dos dedos y en el momento del parto sus bordes están ya separados cuando el canal cervical empieza apenas á desaparecer (figs. 155 y 156). Así, pues, en las pluríparas, la abertura del orificio externo y la dilatación del cuello se verifican simultáneamente..."
http://diposit.ub.edu/dspace/bitstream/2445/13127/8/b1692774...
"The cervix of first-time moms may remain long and closed until delivery day. Moms who’ve had a baby before may be dilated for weeks leading up to their delivery day."
https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/1-centimeter-dil...
"Cuello uterino permeable
Hasta que el cuello uterino no alcanza unos dos centímetros, las matronas y ginecólogos hablan de “cuello permeable uno o dos dedos”, es decir, se ligeramente dilatado. A partir de entonces, hablarán en centímetros."
https://www.natalben.com/dilatacion-dudas-diccionario
Por regla general, en las últimas semanas del embarazo, este orificio es permeable hasta para dos dedos y en el momento del parto sus bordes están ya separados cuando el canal cervical empieza apenas á desaparecer (figs. 155 y 156). Así, pues, en las pluríparas, la abertura del orificio externo y la dilatación del cuello se verifican simultáneamente..."
http://diposit.ub.edu/dspace/bitstream/2445/13127/8/b1692774...
"The cervix of first-time moms may remain long and closed until delivery day. Moms who’ve had a baby before may be dilated for weeks leading up to their delivery day."
https://www.healthline.com/health/pregnancy/1-centimeter-dil...
Note from asker:
Please submit this as an answer. Sorry but I am not convinced about "permeable" as I can't find this on any bona fide En medical site. |
Discussion
puntual
Der. del lat. punctum 'punto'.
1. adj. Que llega a un lugar o que parte de él a la hora convenida.
2. adj. Diligente en hacer las cosas a su tiempo y sin dilatarlas.
3. adj. Indubitable, cierto.
4. adj. Conforme, conveniente, adecuado.
5. adj. Perteneciente o relativo al punto.
6. adj. Ocasional, que se produce de manera aislada frente a lo habitual. Acción, carácter, colaboración puntual.
7. adj. Fís. Que se considera como originado o situado en un punto.
http://dle.rae.es/?id=UgTT8NQ
Also, you may have misread "antes de" as "ante". I gather it means "Before the advances of ultrasound" or perhaps more to the point "before ultrasound was a viable option/technique, diagnosis used to be complicated and had to be done using specimens taken from hysterectomies performed because of uncontrolled bleeding".
conferencia clinico patologica - AZSLIDE.COM
https://azslide.com/.../conferencia-clinico-patologica_5a3af...
porta un cuello borrado en un 40 %, permeable al pulpejo de un dedo en orificio externo, aunque cerrado el interno y un sangrado moderado ..