Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

faits personnels

English translation:

personal details

Added to glossary by Wyley Powell
Nov 5, 2013 16:18
10 yrs ago
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French term

faits personnels

French to English Law/Patents Law (general) A Will
In a Will, under the heading "Garantie": "La présente renonciation est consentie sans autre garantie que celle des ***faits personnels*** du Cédant."

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Discussion

Conor McAuley Nov 9, 2013:
Tim: I suppose we can only flag anomalies in the source text to the client; ultimately the client is responsible for mistakes in it.
Tim Webb Nov 8, 2013:
Conor: That's exactly the point I made to Safetex, right at the bottom of this page. If this really is a will, which we are told it is (but I have my doubts), it seems to have been drafted by a contract lawyer - not the best choice (like going to a brain surgeon to treat your heart disease)!!
Faced with a document like this, there is not much choice but to translate it as it is
AllegroTrans Nov 8, 2013:
Asker as you can see, this is causing some problems. Could you please post some more of the surrounding text? This may possibly help.
Conor McAuley Nov 8, 2013:
Tim: I don't know how a seller comes into it -- I have understood that the text is about a will.

Legifrance: stylistically, perhaps a bit shaky, but otherwise competent enough. And the advantage with the translations there is that they are semi-official.
Tim Webb Nov 8, 2013:
Conor: it is Article 1628 of the Code Civil Quoiqu'il soit dit que le vendeur ne sera soumis à aucune garantie, il demeure cependant tenu de celle qui résulte d'un fait qui lui est personnel : toute convention contraire est nulle.
(Thanks again to SafeTex who put us on the right track)

The quality of the English translations on Legifrance is a bit shaky, I find!

Executor being replaced sounds good to me - at least it's clear!
Conor McAuley Nov 8, 2013:
@ Tim If you mean Article 1382, this is the "official" Legifrance translation of it:
"CHAPTER II
Of Intentional and Unintentional Wrongs [Of Torts]

Articles 1382 to 1386

Art. 1382
Any act whatever of man, which causes damage to another, obliges the one by whose fault it occurred, to
compensate it."

Also see: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsabilité_du_fait_personne...

So "faits" is acts, as you say.

For "Cédant", I would say "the executor being replaced".
Tim Webb Nov 8, 2013:
> Conor This is not really a "cession" (assignment) but a substitution. The better French term would have been "le substituant", instead of le Cédant. <br> As for the English equivalent, that is more difficult - "substituting party" will do for now.<br><br>
"Faits personnels", when seen in the light of section 1628 of the Civil Code (le fait personnel), is not that vague : they are the acts and deeds of the Substituting Party's own doing (for which the Substituting Party cannot avoid giving a warranty)
Wendy Cummings Nov 6, 2013:
i.e. The transferring party makes these guarantees/waivers on its own behalf, but cannot do so on behalf of third parties
Wendy Cummings Nov 6, 2013:
de son fait personnel Not sure if its relevant, but see: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french_to_english/law:_patents_tra...

Proposed translations

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personal details

Judging from the wording this is a disclaimer whereby only such matters as the person's name and address are being vouched for

More context would have been helpful, so only medium CL

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L'authentification à facteurs multiples et les éléments d'authentification personnels ne nécessitant pas la connaissance de faits personnels peuvent aider à réduire ce type de menace et à réduire grandement le risque [...]
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The use of multiple-factor authentication and personal authenticators that do not involve personal identity facts can help mitigate this type of threat and greatly reduce [...]
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Note from asker:
Sorry for so little context. A person named in the Will as executor has renounced this office and is assigning/transferring it to another person.
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personal statements

or personal acts, comments, etc
Peer comment(s):

neutral AllegroTrans : wouldn't statements be déclarations?
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Sounds also logical. Thanks for observation.
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character

i.e. The Grantor's only guarantee is his (good) character

In line with the (suggested) answer to Wyley's previous question (the consideration the Grantor holds for the deceased)
Peer comment(s):

neutral AllegroTrans : Is good character a consideration in an assignment of an estate asset? I have never seen this in such a document
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personal acts [as a man] (official Legifrance translation)

Article 1382 of the Civil Code, headed "faits personnels" in the French version -- this is the "official" Legifrance translation of it:

"CHAPTER II
Of Intentional and Unintentional Wrongs [Of Torts]

Articles 1382 to 1386

Art. 1382
Any act whatever of man, which causes damage to another, obliges the one by whose fault it occurred, to
compensate it."


Also see:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsabilité_du_fait_personne...

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Note added at 2 days18 hrs (2013-11-08 10:52:34 GMT)
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So, in context, "...apart from those arising out of the personal acts of the replaced executor".

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Reference comments

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Reference:

detailed explanation

Il existe un autre effet entre le cédant et le cessionnaire. En effet, le cédant est tenu d'une garantie envers le cessionnaire. Comme tout vendeur, le cédant doit au cessionnaire délivrance (remise du titre ou des actes) et garantie (l'obligation que la loi ou le contrat impose à celui qui transmet la propriété ou la jouissance d'un bien ou d'une créance, de prendre fait et cause pour celui auquel il a transféré ses droits lorsqu'un tiers vient à contester ceux de ce dernier). Selon l'art. 1693 du Code civil, la garantie vaut pour l'existence de la créance mais également pour les accessoires de la créance (Req., 23 octobre 1895). En revanche, selon l'art. 1694, la garantie ne vaut pas pour la solvabilité éventuelle ou future du débiteur. La cession de créance a un aspect spéculatif dont le risque pèse sur le cessionnaire. Il peut donc exister un écart entre le prix de la créance et la cession pour venir compenser le risque que la créance soit nulle ou déjà éteinte au moment où le cessionnaire en prend déjà possession.

Ses effets peuvent être contournés conventionnellement: le débiteur cédé peut renoncer aux exceptions / le cédant peut étendre ou diminuer la garantie envers le cessionnaire. Ces effets peuvent donc faire l'objet de clauses extensives ou restrictives.

·la clause restrictive consiste pour la garantie en une exclusion pure et simple. Cette exonération de garantie connait toutefois une limite, elle ne peut être prévue pour ###fait personnel### du cédant parce que le droit commun de la vente interdit une telle clause restrictive de garantie en son art. 1628. au contraire, le cédant est toujours garant de l'inexistence et de la nullité de la créance (Civ 1, 20 mars 2001, l'apport de cet arrêt est de montrer que la cession de créance exige que soit déterminé ou déterminable la créance à céder. Si la créance n'est pas déterminée, la garantie du cédant ne peut pas jouer parce que, si la créance ne peut pas être déterminée, alors il n'y a pas de cession de créance et pas de garantie du cédant.)

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Peer comments on this reference comment:

neutral Tim Webb : Yes, but art 1628 of the CC deals with the "garantie d'éviction" in a sale (a seller must not, by his *own personal acts or deeds*, disturb the buyer's enjoyment of the property). Can't see why such a clause would be put in a will...but it has been!
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