Jul 19, 2003 00:00
20 yrs ago
English term
Mexico
I place Quality and Accuracy above speed
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, English
bow top and hand drawn
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I hope I'm not contravening any ProZ regulations here since this question has been posted already in another pair [Eng>Spa]. I simply want to help the "asker" but I cannot find any reliable answers anywhere---though I believe I have a vague idea as to what they are or refer to. Any help will be greatly appreciated [also to assuage my innate curiosity:-)].
To provide as much context as possible, I'm copying and pasting the text from 2 separate but related questions [the first shows the terms in question]:
1) "Travellers in a group of about 15 bow tops and hand drawn; and many Druids, Pagans, ravers and more."
2) "Stonehenge festivals and the battles of the Beanfield and Stoney Cross; a few Romanies, some of whom travel with new Travellers; newer visitors who've never had the chance to be in Stones since the 1984 clamp-down."
I suspect the above terms refer to some kind of caravan/wagon/cart...but I confess I'm somewhat in the dark [ages]. Can anyone enlighten me?
TIA:-)
terry
To provide as much context as possible, I'm copying and pasting the text from 2 separate but related questions [the first shows the terms in question]:
1) "Travellers in a group of about 15 bow tops and hand drawn; and many Druids, Pagans, ravers and more."
2) "Stonehenge festivals and the battles of the Beanfield and Stoney Cross; a few Romanies, some of whom travel with new Travellers; newer visitors who've never had the chance to be in Stones since the 1984 clamp-down."
I suspect the above terms refer to some kind of caravan/wagon/cart...but I confess I'm somewhat in the dark [ages]. Can anyone enlighten me?
TIA:-)
terry
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Kim Metzger
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Kim Metzger
Mexico
Mexico
Native in English
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English
Mexico
Committed to Quality and Service
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
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Hi Terry,fascinating question. From what I can see the bow-top is the traditional gypsie wagon. The second link has photos of one being constructed. I don't know what to make of hand-drawn either. The first site refers to hand pushed carts. But either way, I would assume they are carts or wagons that aren't pulled by horses.
"The full-size original of this costermonger's barrow is in the Paulton's museum in Hampshire. This pony drawn version, or similar style hand pushed carts were used by travellers to hawk pegs and wooden flowers to tramps and occasionally to poorer gypsies, who in turn, would sell them on to their customers.
http://www.geocities.com/gypsycaravansite/waggons_and_carts_...
My granny sung this verse to me one of the last times I saw her. I was sitting in her caravan at the council run Gypsy site that she had lived at for the last years of her life. The site was called "The Hatchin Tan", which means the stopping place in Romany.
In August 1997, I decided to honour the memory of my grandparents by living the way they had as young people. I came to England with my now ex-girlfriend Anna. We took with us some money I had saved in Sweden and began the process of finding a horse and a traditional bow-top wagon. I knew nothing about horses and even less about living in a traditional way on the road. Six weeks later I had spent £3,000 on a kushti grai (good horse) and a kushti vardo (good living wagon) and embarked upon a project that has transformed my life.
http://www.romnews.com/webdrom.html
Photos of bow-top wagon
http://www.bltn.com/epona/wagon.htm
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Note added at 2003-07-19 01:08:10 (GMT)
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Traveller is another term for gypsy.
"The full-size original of this costermonger's barrow is in the Paulton's museum in Hampshire. This pony drawn version, or similar style hand pushed carts were used by travellers to hawk pegs and wooden flowers to tramps and occasionally to poorer gypsies, who in turn, would sell them on to their customers.
http://www.geocities.com/gypsycaravansite/waggons_and_carts_...
My granny sung this verse to me one of the last times I saw her. I was sitting in her caravan at the council run Gypsy site that she had lived at for the last years of her life. The site was called "The Hatchin Tan", which means the stopping place in Romany.
In August 1997, I decided to honour the memory of my grandparents by living the way they had as young people. I came to England with my now ex-girlfriend Anna. We took with us some money I had saved in Sweden and began the process of finding a horse and a traditional bow-top wagon. I knew nothing about horses and even less about living in a traditional way on the road. Six weeks later I had spent £3,000 on a kushti grai (good horse) and a kushti vardo (good living wagon) and embarked upon a project that has transformed my life.
http://www.romnews.com/webdrom.html
Photos of bow-top wagon
http://www.bltn.com/epona/wagon.htm
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Note added at 2003-07-19 01:08:10 (GMT)
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Traveller is another term for gypsy.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Well done, Kim! And I think your interpretation of hand-drawn is probably right — depending on context, I suppose it MIGHT mean 'anything other than horse-drawn' ?
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Gayle Wallimann
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DGK T-I
: "Eventually the parish obtained hand-operated, horse or hand-drawn, fire engines and in 1871 the Havant Volunteer Fire Brigade was formed" www.rc-havant.org.uk/bygone_havant_four.htm
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Christopher Crockett
: "Hand drawn" vehicles were a *lot* more common than Hollywood would have us believe, esp. in pre-1900 times. Pioneers in the U.S. "drew" them on the Way West; they are mentioned in 12th c. documents concerning the Ile de la Cité, Paris, I believe.
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Mario Marcolin
: hand-drawn -> not drawn by any beast ( Let's not forget the oxen etc.)
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AhmedAMS
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Comment: "Thank you very much indeed Kim! Thanks also to my good buddy Oso and to all those who posted "agrees", especially Giuli and Christopher who allayed my doubts about "hand-drawn":-)
terry "
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Hi Terry,
The link below has the whole article.
It might give you a hand.
Hugz,
Oso ¶:^)
The link below has the whole article.
It might give you a hand.
Hugz,
Oso ¶:^)
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