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Mar 24, 2021 12:31
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French term

rhabiller

French to English Other Sports / Fitness / Recreation Advert for Cycling Workshops
Les Ateliers de la Rue Voot vous montreront comment déshabiller et rhabiller un vélo de voyage afin d’avoir un vélo adapté à votre budget tout en étant de qualité avec des matériaux de récupération.

Discussion

Althea Draper Mar 27, 2021:
According to this website - "Un vélo de voyage sans ses sacoches est un vélo nu… j’ai hâte de rhabiller le mien."
https://www.jacques-sirat.com/carence-de-vastitude/
Conor McAuley Mar 26, 2021:
This is a new one on me, but is there often a massive difference between estimated and true numbers?
Althea Draper Mar 26, 2021:
@Philippa and SafeTex According to this (which is about putting a google search facility on your website, but I would guess that the same would apply to a normal search), the number of results shown on the first page is an estimate if you have used a filtered term eg put it in inverted commas in this case. It's not until you look at the final page that it will give you the true number of results. (If you hadn't used the inverted commas you would have had soooo many more results as it doesn't search for the term as a whole but in its individual parts and throws out a whole load of irrelevant results.)
"The total count of results is an estimate of the actual number of results for the search request... When filtering is enabled, for all but the last page of results you see the estimated total number of results. If you have requested the last page of results, then you see the total number of filtered results, which is likely to be much smaller than the estimated total number of results."

https://support.google.com/gsa/answer/6329272?hl=en
Philippa Smith Mar 25, 2021:
Okay what is going on with Google search: I tried "revamp your bike" (which I think was the term I searched earlier), it shows over 500K hit until you click through to the final page, then says there are 142 - can't get my head round it! ;-)
Philippa Smith Mar 25, 2021:
@SafeTex Me neither - because I just tried again to double-check, it showed over a million hits on the first page so I clicked to the second page of hits - and suddenly there were only 16!
But that doesn't change the suitability of the verb here - "rhabiller un vélo" only gets 2 hits for example. As I see it, it's about tone, not technical vocab.
SafeTex Mar 25, 2021:
@ Phippa and all I just don't get how Google works sometimes,

"Revamp a bike" gets 13 ghits right now as it did last night on my computer.

just out of curiosity, what number of ghits do others get for this phrase?
Philippa Smith Mar 25, 2021:
@Safetex In response to your "Ghits tell you that this is the right verb as opposed to "revamp" at least?":
"revamp a bike" gets over 500K Ghits.
One example:https://www.welovecycling.com/wide/2018/10/08/how-to-revamp-...
So clearly an appropriate verb. As I pointed out in my answer, there are lots of possibilities here, not one "right verb".
Nikki Scott-Despaigne Mar 24, 2021:
Suggestions If it means more than than just equipping the bike, in context, then maybe:
"to kit out", "to re-fit" (like with a boat).
If the term includes the whole of the bike from scratch, then:
"to do up"
Conor McAuley Mar 24, 2021:
Solid references from Althea. I think "déshabiller et rhabiller" should be the term to translate, as there's a bit more than basic meaning going on in there.
mchd Mar 24, 2021:
@ Philippa D'accord avec votre point de vue !
Philippa Smith Mar 24, 2021:
Yes, I don't think it necessarily means disassembling and reassembling the bike, more like choosing accessories to add to it or take off: I'm no bike expert but travel bikes presumably need lots of accessories?
Or, thinking about it, stripping down an old bike (which is what the Atelier specialises in it seems, doing up old bikes) then adding your own features to create almost a tailored bike...
philgoddard Mar 24, 2021:
Good point So déshabiller could mean strip down, as in remove unnecessary features.
Althea Draper Mar 24, 2021:
From what I can see, I think this refers to repainting and/or restoring and kitting the bike out again. Rhabiller, according to Larousse, is more along the lines of "Transformer l'aspect, le décor d'une construction, sans en modifier la structure."

For example, when used here regarding a car, it is used in terms of repainting the car to restore it back to its original colour and shine https://doczz.fr/doc/6392999/fiche-de-présentation-du-cap-pe...

In this next case, the work on the engine and mechanical parts has been completed and what remains to be done is to 'redress' the car " La restauration touche presque à sa fin puisqu’il « suffit » de rhabiller l’auto (sièges, pare-chocs, optiques…) mais le temps de travail atteint déjà 80 heures, ce qui équivaut à environ 7 000 euros de facture." https://www.largus.fr/actualite-automobile/video-ma-peugeot-...

Proposed translations

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French term (edited): Déshabiller et rhabiller
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Strip-down and rebuild

Strip-down is common for anything mechanical needing to be taken apart, and rebuild, when put with strip-down, achieves the correct meaning in my opinion for a bike that needs customising. Customising implies your adding special bits which may not be the case. Rebuid is more true to rhabiller in the sense that you have taken it apart and re-jigged it to your liking without necessarily adding anything.
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reassemble

Déshabiller = disassemble, rhabiller = reassemble
Peer comment(s):

agree Barbara Cochran, MFA
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neutral mchd : il manque la notion d'esthéthisme dans cette traduction
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Thanks for your insight :)
agree Wolf Draeger : Or "put back together" (take apart and put back together).
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to equip

They are talking about cost and budget here, so I think rhabiller et déshabiller go together to form one concept referring to how many extra features the bike should have to serve your needs.
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agree Daryo : probably the cyclist's version of "pimp my ride"
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agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : It might even be going further than just the fitting the bike out. The discussions section is helpful.
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revamp

As per the discussion.
I suggest "strip down and revamp" going on the assumption that an old bike is stripped down, then you get to do it up to suit your needs. I think "revamp" captures the slightly metaphorical vibe of "rhabiller" but obviously there are plenty of other terms that could be used.
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agree Cyril Tollari
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agree Yolanda Broad
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agree Yvonne Gallagher
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agree ormiston
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agree Eliza Hall
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neutral Catherine JEAN : I wonder whether the original bike is necessarily an old one. Could be new, but some parts or accessories need to be changed to make it work better for a road trip.
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My impression from the website is that it's all about recycling...
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customize

After stripping it down, it is customized.

Ghits tell you that this is the right verb as opposed to "revamp" at least?
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agree Shilpa Baliga :
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agree Cyril Tollari
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agree Catherine JEAN
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Personalize or customize

I would say that after stripping the bike from gear that may be unnecessary in a road-trip context, you need to add features or equipment that will meet your specific needs.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Les Ateliers de la rue Voot

Seems this organization specializes in fixing up bikes using old or salvaged parts (throw nothing away/circular economy mentality), so I don't think the sentence refers to anything more than making a bike usable or ridable again. And it says cyclists will be shown how to do this, which points further to repair rather than renovation.

Déshabiller is actually the term causing confusion; without it one might simply understand rhabiller to mean "repair".

https://voot.be/ateliers/ateliers-velo/velo-de-voyage/
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