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Almanca: Aut idem

İngilizce translation: aut-idem (exactly identical)






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Almanca terim veya ifade:Aut idem
İngilizce çeviri:aut-idem (exactly identical)
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Almanca terim veya ifade: Aut idem
no other context. Am not sure if it's a latin saying or a typo? Thanks in advance
Jonathan MacKerron
Almanya
Local time: 15:04
Clarification request(s) and response
Jonathan MacKerron (asker): 09:49 Dec 29, 2004: Can it be left as is in English??
EdithK: 09:50 Dec 29, 2004: yes -
Nesrin: 09:55 Dec 29, 2004: Please note that all Google results point to German sites (in the German or the English language), so it's obviously not commonly used in English-speaking countries. It would be useful to add a note, like here: -
Nesrin: 09:55 Dec 29, 2004: For example, the aut-idem (latin; "or similar") regulation, introduced in February 2002, allows pharmacies to opt for substituting a prescribed drug with a ...

www.pharmsinfo.com/archive/PIAAABAW.htm
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EdithK: 09:59 Dec 29, 2004: Also used in English by doctors etc though admittedly German sites were given as reference. And it's not 'similar' as Nesrin mentions but 'exactly identical'. -
Jonathan MacKerron (asker): 10:02 Dec 29, 2004: yes, I was thinking "aut-idem regulations" might be more succinct here?
Jonathan MacKerron (asker): 10:04 Dec 29, 2004: can anyone out there please give me a brief definition of what it means in practical terms, thanks!
EdithK: 10:07 Dec 29, 2004: It means that if you have a generic drug, the ingredients of same have to be exactly the same as the ingredients of the original drug. -
Nesrin: 10:09 Dec 29, 2004: You'll find a useful explanation of the regulation in the link I provided above (though I AGREE with Edith that "aut idem" literally means "the same"): -
Nesrin: 10:11 Dec 29, 2004: "the aut-idem (latin; "or similar")regulation, introduced in February 2002, allows pharmacies to opt for substituting a prescribed drug with a cheaper equivalent if available and in the absence of a doctor's request for the specific drug to be prescribed" -
EdithK: 10:11 Dec 29, 2004: It could also mean in practical terms that the effects should be the same, when seeing it from the patients' point of view, or the galenics should be the same. Lots of dicussions about this. Literally it means 'or the same'. -
Dylan Edwards: 12:25 Dec 29, 2004: I agree about the literal meaning of the Latin, but "or equivalent" would be preferable. -

the same
Açıklama:
Yes, it's Latin:
http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/Mar2002/GermanDoctorsBoyc...

"The law is generally described in Germany with the Latin words 'aut idem', or 'the same'."

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Note added at 7 mins (2004-12-29 09:50:51 GMT)
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It\'s also used in medical contexts:
lat.: \"oder dasselbe\".
Bedeutet ein Wirkstoff-gleiches Arzneimittel eines anderen Herstellers.
http://www.bvmed.de/glossar/glossar/Aut_idem.html
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Christian
Almanya
Local time: 15:04
Grading comment
I'm leaving it as is, since most readers will understand it without further explanation
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4 +1the same
Christian
4 +1aut idem / exactly identicalEdithK


  

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aut idem / exactly identical


Açıklama:
meaning: exactly idential (in pharmaceutical terms)

... active-substance identical topical dermatics without bio-equivalence proof are not
exchangeable and therefore have to be excluded from the aut-idem regulation. ...
www.dermotopics.de/english/ issue_2_02_e/symposium_2_02_e.htm - 19k - Im Cache - Ähnliche Seiten

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... Overall, the change in the "aut idem" regulation gives rise to a number of ... that
substitution is only possible for pharmaceuticals with identical potency and ...
www.berlin-chemie.de/english/ ges/wachstumsmarkt/gkv.html -

EdithK
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katılıyorum David Moore
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the same


Açıklama:
Yes, it's Latin:
http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/Mar2002/GermanDoctorsBoyc...

"The law is generally described in Germany with the Latin words 'aut idem', or 'the same'."

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Note added at 7 mins (2004-12-29 09:50:51 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

It\'s also used in medical contexts:
lat.: \"oder dasselbe\".
Bedeutet ein Wirkstoff-gleiches Arzneimittel eines anderen Herstellers.
http://www.bvmed.de/glossar/glossar/Aut_idem.html

Christian
Almanya
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Anadili: Almanca
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I'm leaving it as is, since most readers will understand it without further explanation

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katılıyorum Nesrin: literally "or the same"
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